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Nancy Pelosi to meet Taiwan’s president on Wednesday

18 points by acqbu 4y ago

sxpnsxpn 4y ago
acqbu 4y ago
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matt321 4y ago
Why is President Biden not making the visit?
- Victerius 4y ago
  Because it would be a BFD (big f- deal), to use Joe Biden's own words. The only time in history that a U.S. president visited Taiwan was when President Eisenhower toured the country and met with former ruler Chiang Kai-shek in 1960. President Trump's phone call with President Tsai Ing-wen was the first time a U.S. president-elect had directly spoken to a Taiwanese leader since former President Carter severed diplomatic relations in 1979. A presidential visit to Taiwan would be such a big deal that it might just prompt China to attack, or do something short of it, like freezing US assets in China or banning all electronics exports to the US.
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  It would be incredibly irresponsible to travel with an active COVID infection
- mrcheesebreeze 4y ago
endisneigh 4y ago
The whole Taiwan thing is fascinating to me. China says Taiwan is a part of them, Taiwan says no, fair enough. If California and its inhabitants decided to be its own country and Mexico visited California President Newsom would this be accepted? The whole thing seems arbitrary and silly to me. I guess that’s politics for you?
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  > Taiwan says no Not exactly. China says there is only one China, and Taiwan is part of it, and the CCP is the government of all of China. Taiwan says there is only one China, and Taiwan is part of it, and the government of Taiwan is the legitimate government of China - all of it. De facto, of course, they are two separate countries. So the analogy would be something like a revolution in the US, the revolutionaries winning, President Biden fleeing to Hawaii with his cabinet, and then the rest of the US having a hissy fit because the president of Mexico visited Hawaii. China is really insecure about Taiwan, and they show it every time anybody shows any bit of recognition to Taiwan. Maybe the issue is that Taiwan claims to be the legitimate government of all of China, and the CCP doesn't feel that their legitimacy is all that solid... [Edit: "Would this be acceptable?" Acceptable to who? In that analogy, would it be acceptable to the rest of the US? Why do you think that's a relevant question? If California has truly separated from the US, then the only way the US thinks they have any say is if they have refused to accept that California has separated. And even then, they only think they have some say. They don't actually have it, and they have no moral grounds for saying that they should have it. So China can buzz off. They have no right to decide who can be allowed to visit Taiwan.]
  - salawat 4y ago
    Also note the hilarity of a U.S. Government-in-exile setting up in Hawaii. The irony there is transcendant.
    - miles 4y ago
      Not much different really... Taiwan’s indigenous people remind Xi Jinping that it has “never belonged to China” https://qz.com/1518787/taiwans-indigenous-people-remind-xi-jinping-it-has-never-belonged-to-china/ https://qz.com/1518787/taiwans-indigenous-people-remind-xi-j... The First Nations of Taiwan: A Special Report on Taiwan's indigenous peoples https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/first-nations-taiwan-special-report-taiwans-indigenous https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survi... Taiwan’s Han Chinese seek a new identity among the island’s tribes https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/04/taiwan-indigenous-china-tribes/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/04/taiwan-indig... A future for Taiwan's indigenous people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co9UD89J_1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co9UD89J_1g

18 points by acqbu 4y ago

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acqbu 4y ago

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matt321 4y ago

Why is President Biden not making the visit?

Victerius 4y ago
Because it would be a BFD (big f- deal), to use Joe Biden's own words. The only time in history that a U.S. president visited Taiwan was when President Eisenhower toured the country and met with former ruler Chiang Kai-shek in 1960. President Trump's phone call with President Tsai Ing-wen was the first time a U.S. president-elect had directly spoken to a Taiwanese leader since former President Carter severed diplomatic relations in 1979. A presidential visit to Taiwan would be such a big deal that it might just prompt China to attack, or do something short of it, like freezing US assets in China or banning all electronics exports to the US.
Rebelgecko 4y ago
It would be incredibly irresponsible to travel with an active COVID infection
mrcheesebreeze 4y ago

endisneigh 4y ago

The whole Taiwan thing is fascinating to me. China says Taiwan is a part of them, Taiwan says no, fair enough. If California and its inhabitants decided to be its own country and Mexico visited California President Newsom would this be accepted? The whole thing seems arbitrary and silly to me. I guess that’s politics for you?

AnimalMuppet 4y ago
> Taiwan says no Not exactly. China says there is only one China, and Taiwan is part of it, and the CCP is the government of all of China. Taiwan says there is only one China, and Taiwan is part of it, and the government of Taiwan is the legitimate government of China - all of it. De facto, of course, they are two separate countries. So the analogy would be something like a revolution in the US, the revolutionaries winning, President Biden fleeing to Hawaii with his cabinet, and then the rest of the US having a hissy fit because the president of Mexico visited Hawaii. China is really insecure about Taiwan, and they show it every time anybody shows any bit of recognition to Taiwan. Maybe the issue is that Taiwan claims to be the legitimate government of all of China, and the CCP doesn't feel that their legitimacy is all that solid... [Edit: "Would this be acceptable?" Acceptable to who? In that analogy, would it be acceptable to the rest of the US? Why do you think that's a relevant question? If California has truly separated from the US, then the only way the US thinks they have any say is if they have refused to accept that California has separated. And even then, they only think they have some say. They don't actually have it, and they have no moral grounds for saying that they should have it. So China can buzz off. They have no right to decide who can be allowed to visit Taiwan.]
- salawat 4y ago
  Also note the hilarity of a U.S. Government-in-exile setting up in Hawaii. The irony there is transcendant.
  - miles 4y ago
    Not much different really... Taiwan’s indigenous people remind Xi Jinping that it has “never belonged to China” https://qz.com/1518787/taiwans-indigenous-people-remind-xi-jinping-it-has-never-belonged-to-china/ https://qz.com/1518787/taiwans-indigenous-people-remind-xi-j... The First Nations of Taiwan: A Special Report on Taiwan's indigenous peoples https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survival-quarterly/first-nations-taiwan-special-report-taiwans-indigenous https://www.culturalsurvival.org/publications/cultural-survi... Taiwan’s Han Chinese seek a new identity among the island’s tribes https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/04/taiwan-indigenous-china-tribes/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/04/taiwan-indig... A future for Taiwan's indigenous people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co9UD89J_1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co9UD89J_1g