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I fully agree. The worst thing is that people seem not to realize the long-term effect. Everyone is talking about the winter. Cheap energy is NOT coming back

I fully agree. The worst thing is that people seem not to realize the long-term effect. Everyone is talking about the winter. Cheap energy is NOT coming back though. It is over. The window of opportunity for NS2 is also closing. Germany has the choice to either do what Putin wants and survive or hold on to its values and lose its competitive advantage.

rasz 4y ago
SPD tried very hard doing what Putin wants. "On February 27th, the German arms industry gave Chancellor Olaf Scholz a 48 page list of military equipment that they could send to Ukraine. Scholz waited until today to forward it to the Ukrainians but his office only sent the Ukrainians half the document)" "While Ukraine was offered Marder IFV, Boxer APC and even Leopard-2 MBT as well as Panzerhaubitze 2000 by German companies, it is not allowed to buy any of these systems in Germany" 1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine. 4) Germany's defense industry leaks the list to Ukraine's ambassador. 5) Scholz says that the weapons on the list don't work. 6) The defense industry denies this and leaks the list to the press. 7) Scholz states Ukrainians can't master the weapons in the available time. 8) German defense experts tell the German press that Ukrainians can master the weapons in 2-3 weeks. 9) Scholz says the weapons are needed by NATO and NATO must approve their transfer. 10) NATO officials and German generals deny this. 11) Scholz says no other NATO/EU ally is delivering heavy weapons to Ukraine. 12) The US, UK, Australia, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, Turkey, Italy, Finland, Denmark, Romania, Netherlands, etc. publish the lists of heavy weapon they deliver to Ukraine. 13) Under pressure Scholz announces €2 billion for Ukraine's military. 14) German parliamentarians find out that it's really just €1 billion, which won't be available for another 2-3 months, and then Scholz can veto or delay indefinitely every item Ukraine wants to buy. 15) The US, France, Poland, Romania, Japan, the UK and Italy, plus the heads of EU and NATO spend an afternoon trying to talk sense into Scholz. 16) Scholz makes a statement and says Ukraine can have the €1 billion now and order whatever it wants from the list. 17) Ukraine's ambassador says that Scholz removed all the items Ukraine actually wants from the list before giving it to Ukraine and what remains on the list is just a fraction of the €1 billion. 18) Scholz claims that there is no ammunition anymore for the Leopard tanks and Marder infantry fighting vehicles. 19) Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Egypt, the US, Japan, South Korea, Israel, Taiwan, Egypt respectively France are saying the produce these ammo types. 20) Scholz says countries delivering armored vehicles to Ukraine will be attacked by russia with nuclear weapons. 21) The US, UK, Australia, France, Poland, Spain, Italy, Romania, Slovakia, Czechia, Netherlands, Denmark all report they were not hit by nuclear weapons.
- 88840-8855 4y ago
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- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Seems like Schultz is a liar.
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rasz 4y ago

SPD tried very hard doing what Putin wants. "On February 27th, the German arms industry gave Chancellor Olaf Scholz a 48 page list of military equipment that they could send to Ukraine. Scholz waited until today to forward it to the Ukrainians but his office only sent the Ukrainians half the document)" "While Ukraine was offered Marder IFV, Boxer APC and even Leopard-2 MBT as well as Panzerhaubitze 2000 by German companies, it is not allowed to buy any of these systems in Germany" 1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine. 4) Germany's defense industry leaks the list to Ukraine's ambassador. 5) Scholz says that the weapons on the list don't work. 6) The defense industry denies this and leaks the list to the press. 7) Scholz states Ukrainians can't master the weapons in the available time. 8) German defense experts tell the German press that Ukrainians can master the weapons in 2-3 weeks. 9) Scholz says the weapons are needed by NATO and NATO must approve their transfer. 10) NATO officials and German generals deny this. 11) Scholz says no other NATO/EU ally is delivering heavy weapons to Ukraine. 12) The US, UK, Australia, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, Turkey, Italy, Finland, Denmark, Romania, Netherlands, etc. publish the lists of heavy weapon they deliver to Ukraine. 13) Under pressure Scholz announces €2 billion for Ukraine's military. 14) German parliamentarians find out that it's really just €1 billion, which won't be available for another 2-3 months, and then Scholz can veto or delay indefinitely every item Ukraine wants to buy. 15) The US, France, Poland, Romania, Japan, the UK and Italy, plus the heads of EU and NATO spend an afternoon trying to talk sense into Scholz. 16) Scholz makes a statement and says Ukraine can have the €1 billion now and order whatever it wants from the list. 17) Ukraine's ambassador says that Scholz removed all the items Ukraine actually wants from the list before giving it to Ukraine and what remains on the list is just a fraction of the €1 billion. 18) Scholz claims that there is no ammunition anymore for the Leopard tanks and Marder infantry fighting vehicles. 19) Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Egypt, the US, Japan, South Korea, Israel, Taiwan, Egypt respectively France are saying the produce these ammo types. 20) Scholz says countries delivering armored vehicles to Ukraine will be attacked by russia with nuclear weapons. 21) The US, UK, Australia, France, Poland, Spain, Italy, Romania, Slovakia, Czechia, Netherlands, Denmark all report they were not hit by nuclear weapons.

88840-8855 4y ago
- josephcsible 4y ago
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ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Seems like Schultz is a liar.
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