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They already provide financial help for heat pumps, but the problem is that a.) there are not enough skilled workers that know how to deploy these. in fact it

They already provide financial help for heat pumps, but the problem is that a.) there are not enough skilled workers that know how to deploy these. in fact it was just published in the news that due to boomers going in pension the workforce in this area already reduced over 10% in the last years and projected to sink even more. b.) most houses that are using Gas heating are not isolated well enough to make a switch to heat pumps financially viable.

timbit42 4y ago
Perhaps temporarily bring in installers from other NATO countries to help.
vkou 4y ago
> a.) there are not enough skilled workers that know how to deploy these. in fact it was just published in the news that due to boomers going in pension the workforce in this area already reduced over 10% in the last years and projected to sink even more. If this were the national emergency that everyone claims it is, this problem could be fixed in weeks, if not months, by the government training people in the basics of getting heat pumps installed. It's not brain surgery, it doesn't need a decade of schooling. > b.) most houses that are using Gas heating are not isolated well enough to make a switch to heat pumps financially viable. That same argument could be used to say that most houses are not insulated well enough to make gas heating financially viable.
- beberlei 4y ago
  you are right about point b.) but only at the current gas prices, it was totally fine with cheap russian gas.
- ThePadawan 4y ago
  > It's not brain surgery, it doesn't need a decade of schooling. It's almost like that condescending attitude towards the trades is why so few young people are doing those apprenticeships anymore. That and the shit pay.
  - vkou 4y ago
    There's plenty of people going into trades, what there isn't is enough people doing a particular trade that can handle a massive demand spike caused by an acute political or economic crisis. You're not going to solve that problem by making people feel warm and fuzzy about learning a trade that will only have that high level of demand for a few months, or a year, or even three years. You are going to solve that problem by treating it like the emergency that it is. But if you don't actually treat it like an emergency, it's not going to get solved. The attitude I mean to project isn't one of condescension, it's one of 'just get the work done well enough to solve the short-term crisis.' When you're on a ship, and the ship's got a hole in the bottom, you're not going to get to shore if you start lamenting that you don't have a certified first-rate caulker on board. You may have to make do with having the third-rate one take a look at it.
    - moepstar 4y ago
      Currently, the situation is that even if you have enough installers available, there are no heatpumps to buy - one of the bigger suppliers [0] has basically run dry since at least march... [0] https://www.rjtec-shop.eu/de/luft-wasser-wp/monoblock/ https://www.rjtec-shop.eu/de/luft-wasser-wp/monoblock/
      - timbit42 4y ago
        I suspected as much. Selling new heat pumps from vendors in other NATO countries probably wouldn't help much but it could match Germany's installation ability and would be of some help.

timbit42 4y ago

Perhaps temporarily bring in installers from other NATO countries to help.

vkou 4y ago

> a.) there are not enough skilled workers that know how to deploy these. in fact it was just published in the news that due to boomers going in pension the workforce in this area already reduced over 10% in the last years and projected to sink even more. If this were the national emergency that everyone claims it is, this problem could be fixed in weeks, if not months, by the government training people in the basics of getting heat pumps installed. It's not brain surgery, it doesn't need a decade of schooling. > b.) most houses that are using Gas heating are not isolated well enough to make a switch to heat pumps financially viable. That same argument could be used to say that most houses are not insulated well enough to make gas heating financially viable.

beberlei 4y ago
you are right about point b.) but only at the current gas prices, it was totally fine with cheap russian gas.
ThePadawan 4y ago
> It's not brain surgery, it doesn't need a decade of schooling. It's almost like that condescending attitude towards the trades is why so few young people are doing those apprenticeships anymore. That and the shit pay.
- vkou 4y ago
  There's plenty of people going into trades, what there isn't is enough people doing a particular trade that can handle a massive demand spike caused by an acute political or economic crisis. You're not going to solve that problem by making people feel warm and fuzzy about learning a trade that will only have that high level of demand for a few months, or a year, or even three years. You are going to solve that problem by treating it like the emergency that it is. But if you don't actually treat it like an emergency, it's not going to get solved. The attitude I mean to project isn't one of condescension, it's one of 'just get the work done well enough to solve the short-term crisis.' When you're on a ship, and the ship's got a hole in the bottom, you're not going to get to shore if you start lamenting that you don't have a certified first-rate caulker on board. You may have to make do with having the third-rate one take a look at it.
  - moepstar 4y ago
    Currently, the situation is that even if you have enough installers available, there are no heatpumps to buy - one of the bigger suppliers [0] has basically run dry since at least march... [0] https://www.rjtec-shop.eu/de/luft-wasser-wp/monoblock/ https://www.rjtec-shop.eu/de/luft-wasser-wp/monoblock/
    - timbit42 4y ago
      I suspected as much. Selling new heat pumps from vendors in other NATO countries probably wouldn't help much but it could match Germany's installation ability and would be of some help.