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Because boys are allowed to play with dolls. And shouldn't think it indicates they are trans or have gender dysphoria. It's not a sign of anything. Please don'

Because boys are allowed to play with dolls. And shouldn't think it indicates they are trans or have gender dysphoria. It's not a sign of anything. Please don't misinterpret the comment. *Edit: removed the word diagnosed as wasn't in the original comment.*

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
> Because boys are allowed to play with dolls. And shouldn't be diagnosed as being trans or having gender dysphoria. It's not a sign of anything. Yep, I meant exactly this. I mean... take the clothes away, and Action Man and (barbie's) Ken are practically the same doll.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  What you actually implied is trans skepticism, which is a form of transphobia, questioning its legitimacy, implying that a lot of trans kids aren't actually trans, that they're being labeled that because they "play with dolls" - and this shouldn't be the case. No kid is diagnosed with gender dysphoria for playing with dolls.
a_shovel 4y ago
- dnissley 4y ago
  They are both things that people realize about themselves and things that they are diagnosed with by others. E.g. in order to receive hormones, one must be diagnosed as having gender dysphoria by a professional.
- camdenlock 4y ago
  - badcppdev 4y ago
    Imagine if all the people who write millions of words on the internet about issues channelled their energy into just helping others in their community. (I am aware of the judgemental hypocrisy in the statement above.)
- badcppdev 4y ago
  I've realised I was wrong in my response. The comment you were reacting to did not mention the word diagnose. And I shouldn't have used it in my response. You seemed to have jumped to a conclusion, used the word diagnose, and you are now trying to argue about the use of that word.
  - a_shovel 4y ago
    I use "diagnose" in the casual sense of "tell someone something about themself", not the strict sense of a doctor identifying a condition. The specific word is irrelevant. The myth is that people realize they are trans because other people told them they are trans, instead of that person realizing it themself. This lets bigots choose between casting trans people as insidious recruiter, seeking out innocent children for conversion, and casting them as helpless victim, too indoctrinated to know what's best for them. Either way, it allows them options for disregarding the views of trans people that that just aren't available when you accept that being transgender is a genuine and considered view of one's self.
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  It’s interesting that mental illness is so stigmatize that even suggesting someone may have mental illness is “phobic”.
- Banana699 4y ago
  >the comment is still objectionable No it isn't, there are plenty of people including me who believe that those things are mostly mental illnesses and\or trivial categories invented for novelty's sake. "Objectionable" implies that it's a mainstream opinion that those things are normal and healthy and the fringe opinion is that they're not, if anything, it's the reverse.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

> Because boys are allowed to play with dolls. And shouldn't be diagnosed as being trans or having gender dysphoria. It's not a sign of anything. Yep, I meant exactly this. I mean... take the clothes away, and Action Man and (barbie's) Ken are practically the same doll.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
What you actually implied is trans skepticism, which is a form of transphobia, questioning its legitimacy, implying that a lot of trans kids aren't actually trans, that they're being labeled that because they "play with dolls" - and this shouldn't be the case. No kid is diagnosed with gender dysphoria for playing with dolls.

a_shovel 4y ago

dnissley 4y ago
They are both things that people realize about themselves and things that they are diagnosed with by others. E.g. in order to receive hormones, one must be diagnosed as having gender dysphoria by a professional.
camdenlock 4y ago
- badcppdev 4y ago
  Imagine if all the people who write millions of words on the internet about issues channelled their energy into just helping others in their community. (I am aware of the judgemental hypocrisy in the statement above.)
badcppdev 4y ago
I've realised I was wrong in my response. The comment you were reacting to did not mention the word diagnose. And I shouldn't have used it in my response. You seemed to have jumped to a conclusion, used the word diagnose, and you are now trying to argue about the use of that word.
- a_shovel 4y ago
  I use "diagnose" in the casual sense of "tell someone something about themself", not the strict sense of a doctor identifying a condition. The specific word is irrelevant. The myth is that people realize they are trans because other people told them they are trans, instead of that person realizing it themself. This lets bigots choose between casting trans people as insidious recruiter, seeking out innocent children for conversion, and casting them as helpless victim, too indoctrinated to know what's best for them. Either way, it allows them options for disregarding the views of trans people that that just aren't available when you accept that being transgender is a genuine and considered view of one's self.
mensetmanusman 4y ago
It’s interesting that mental illness is so stigmatize that even suggesting someone may have mental illness is “phobic”.
Banana699 4y ago
>the comment is still objectionable No it isn't, there are plenty of people including me who believe that those things are mostly mental illnesses and\or trivial categories invented for novelty's sake. "Objectionable" implies that it's a mainstream opinion that those things are normal and healthy and the fringe opinion is that they're not, if anything, it's the reverse.