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Even if you're strongly in favor of the more sever restrictions of early 2020 in the US and Europe you have to acknowledge that a lot of normal rights were susp

by ch4s3 4y ago

Even if you're strongly in favor of the more sever restrictions of early 2020 in the US and Europe you have to acknowledge that a lot of normal rights were suspended with the aim of combatting the pandemic. New Zealand even suspended the right of its citizens to return home for a long period of time, which is a pretty harsh violation of rights, and runs contrary to international law. New Zealand's own high court found that to be the case.

aaronbrethorst 4y ago
New Zealand’s high court found the lottery system used to allocate quarantine spots and the wait time infringed on its citizens’ rights, not forcing a quarantine. However, Mallon did find that requiring returning New Zealanders to quarantine was not in itself an unjustified infringement. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-high-court-finds-quarantine-allocation-system-infringed-rights-2022-04-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-high-...
- ch4s3 4y ago
  Clearly my 1 sentence about it is an oversimplification, but that lottery system did in fact prevent New Zealand's own citizens from returning home. THat does probably violate international law.
Nutyea 4y ago
From the perspective of an American living in NYC: I genuinely didn't notice any of my normal rights being suspended. Sounds annoying for those New Zealanders (?), but already addressed? Personally "walk-back of basic human rights in the West through COVID" isn't something I consider a problem in any way, shape, or form, unless we're talking about things completely unrelated to Covid that happened at the same time.
- ch4s3 4y ago
  I also live in NYC, and the total closure of the city is clearly something that infringed on peoples' rights. The inability of people to earn a living was pretty serious. Freedom of assembly is written into the 1st amendment, and the city was literally arresting people for congregating outside in parks. This was especially prevalent in the Bronx in the spring of 2020. Bill de Blasio was literally having police arrest people for being near each other outside and cramming them into over crowded jails in the name of COVID safety, just think about that for a moment. [EDIT] For anyone who doesn't believe me, see this article from the NYT in 2020[1]. [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-distancing-race-coronavirus.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytim...
  - weakfish 4y ago
    Can you provide a source for those claims? I’m not arguing; genuinely curious.
    - ch4s3 4y ago
      Here's an article from 2020 in the NYT[1] talking about it. The article includes this gem: >Another dispute between officers and residents of the same predominantly black neighborhood over the guidelines led to a man being knocked unconscious. The resident in question was sitting on his own stoop. [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-distancing-race-coronavirus.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytim...

by ch4s3 4y ago

aaronbrethorst 4y ago

New Zealand’s high court found the lottery system used to allocate quarantine spots and the wait time infringed on its citizens’ rights, not forcing a quarantine. However, Mallon did find that requiring returning New Zealanders to quarantine was not in itself an unjustified infringement. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-high-court-finds-quarantine-allocation-system-infringed-rights-2022-04-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-high-...

ch4s3 4y ago
Clearly my 1 sentence about it is an oversimplification, but that lottery system did in fact prevent New Zealand's own citizens from returning home. THat does probably violate international law.

Nutyea 4y ago

From the perspective of an American living in NYC: I genuinely didn't notice any of my normal rights being suspended. Sounds annoying for those New Zealanders (?), but already addressed? Personally "walk-back of basic human rights in the West through COVID" isn't something I consider a problem in any way, shape, or form, unless we're talking about things completely unrelated to Covid that happened at the same time.

ch4s3 4y ago
I also live in NYC, and the total closure of the city is clearly something that infringed on peoples' rights. The inability of people to earn a living was pretty serious. Freedom of assembly is written into the 1st amendment, and the city was literally arresting people for congregating outside in parks. This was especially prevalent in the Bronx in the spring of 2020. Bill de Blasio was literally having police arrest people for being near each other outside and cramming them into over crowded jails in the name of COVID safety, just think about that for a moment. [EDIT] For anyone who doesn't believe me, see this article from the NYT in 2020[1]. [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-distancing-race-coronavirus.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytim...
- weakfish 4y ago
  Can you provide a source for those claims? I’m not arguing; genuinely curious.
  - ch4s3 4y ago
    Here's an article from 2020 in the NYT[1] talking about it. The article includes this gem: >Another dispute between officers and residents of the same predominantly black neighborhood over the guidelines led to a man being knocked unconscious. The resident in question was sitting on his own stoop. [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-distancing-race-coronavirus.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytim...