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> but saying "we are not doing nearly enough, therefore we are doomed OP did not write that at all! He only wrote a single sentence, why did you create new tex
by nosianu 4y ago
> but saying "we are not doing nearly enough, therefore we are doomed
OP did not write that at all! He only wrote a single sentence, why did you create new text to criticize and attribute it to OP?
I myself keep pointing to the NOAAA page for the CO2 growth rate (https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/gr.html https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/gr.html) - which is positive and increasing. OP is correct and the parent is too. Even the growth rate still increases, it still keeps getting worse faster! It's unpopular on reddit's /r/de too to say that, with similar justification. As if lying and keeping truth away won't hurt much more because no, people are stupid but not completely.
In addition here in Germany I got so watch from a front seat how the people in the country react when even just a single fossil fuel is cut - and only partially (even for Germany Russia only supplies a part of the gas, even if it's a substantial one). We actually needed to stop regardless of the Russian situation, for climate change alone. Which nobody ever even dares to mention, the public discussion and what politicians have to say is all about "crisis mode". I have not seen a single politician try to reframe it as "we need to do this anyway", it's either about supporting people financially to be able to afford more expensive gas, about who needs to save, or how and where to get other gas faster than 2024 (deal with Katar for LNG).
The head of the state of Saxony warned of "deindustrialization". But we need to cut fossil fuel anyway! Worldwide!
The current crisis should be a chance, but it is only seen, and only framed, as "crisis", to be remedied to get back to full gas storage and fully flowing supplies.
The situation IS this dire! Try significantly reducing usage of fossil fuels in any country. You get riots.
You can plant as many trees and ban plastic straws all you like, the only thing that would make a dent is a significant reduction in removing any more fossil fuels of any kind from below ground to feed it into the above ground carbon cycle. And it is truth that it looks really really bad. That would just limit the growth rate, it still would do nothing towards actually lowering atmospheric CO2.
- lexapro 4y agoIt's called paraphrasing (and yes, dramatization to make a point). From the comment I replied to: >reality of unavoidable climate catastrophe >how dire the situation is I read this as "doomed". And if we are already doomed and nothing can be done about it, shouldn't we eat as much meat and take as many flights as we want? This is how a lot of people think when they read stuff like this, and honestly, they have a point. Either it's unavoidable and dire OR we can do something about it (by limiting emissions). So why ask people to make sacrifices and then also tell them we are doomed anyway?
- Nutyea 4y agoI think that's more of a reflection of you than the OP. You read it as "doomed", I read it was "dire, but still fixable if we do more"
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- Retric 4y agoHow do you see: “I know the reality of unavoidable climate catastrophe is uncomfortable to talk about.” As a suggestion of “fixable” they literally said it was unavoidable.
- bombcar 4y agoIf it is unavoidable than the question becomes how do we build to handle it instead of how do we prevent it - the first question may involve much more carbon output during the building phase, for example.
- snapcaster 4y agoPlease have a more charitable interpretation of comments here. Even if some event (like climate change, a hurricane, etc.) is bound to occur that doesn't mean there is nothing that can be done to mitigate damage or impact
- Nutyea 4y agoI think the problem we're having talking to each other is you think an unavoidable climate catastrophe is "doomed", and I think "doomed" is more like the complete extinction of the human race, which is definitely still fixable, from what I know.
- Retric 4y agoDoomed mean to unavoidably suffer some negative outcome in the future, but not necessarily death/extinction. Someone that forgot about an upcoming test is doomed.
- rr888 4y agoGermany re-opening coal mines that were closed 10 years ago https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/01/germany-coal-energy-climate/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/01/germany-coal... Honestly I'm not sure if coal is worse than shipping gas from the gulf (which produces lots of CO2 from the compressing and shipping)