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What basic human rights were violated through COVID?

biofox 4y ago
People don't like being told to cooperate for the greater good. Wish more people knew about the tragedy of the commons, and how the survival of our species depends on selfless cooperation.
ch4s3 4y ago
Even if you're strongly in favor of the more sever restrictions of early 2020 in the US and Europe you have to acknowledge that a lot of normal rights were suspended with the aim of combatting the pandemic. New Zealand even suspended the right of its citizens to return home for a long period of time, which is a pretty harsh violation of rights, and runs contrary to international law. New Zealand's own high court found that to be the case.
- aaronbrethorst 4y ago
  New Zealand’s high court found the lottery system used to allocate quarantine spots and the wait time infringed on its citizens’ rights, not forcing a quarantine. However, Mallon did find that requiring returning New Zealanders to quarantine was not in itself an unjustified infringement. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-high-court-finds-quarantine-allocation-system-infringed-rights-2022-04-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-high-...
  - ch4s3 4y ago
    Clearly my 1 sentence about it is an oversimplification, but that lottery system did in fact prevent New Zealand's own citizens from returning home. THat does probably violate international law.
- Nutyea 4y ago
  From the perspective of an American living in NYC: I genuinely didn't notice any of my normal rights being suspended. Sounds annoying for those New Zealanders (?), but already addressed? Personally "walk-back of basic human rights in the West through COVID" isn't something I consider a problem in any way, shape, or form, unless we're talking about things completely unrelated to Covid that happened at the same time.
  - ch4s3 4y ago
    I also live in NYC, and the total closure of the city is clearly something that infringed on peoples' rights. The inability of people to earn a living was pretty serious. Freedom of assembly is written into the 1st amendment, and the city was literally arresting people for congregating outside in parks. This was especially prevalent in the Bronx in the spring of 2020. Bill de Blasio was literally having police arrest people for being near each other outside and cramming them into over crowded jails in the name of COVID safety, just think about that for a moment. [EDIT] For anyone who doesn't believe me, see this article from the NYT in 2020[1]. [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-distancing-race-coronavirus.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytim...
    - weakfish 4y ago
      Can you provide a source for those claims? I’m not arguing; genuinely curious.
      - ch4s3 4y ago
        Here's an article from 2020 in the NYT[1] talking about it. The article includes this gem: >Another dispute between officers and residents of the same predominantly black neighborhood over the guidelines led to a man being knocked unconscious. The resident in question was sitting on his own stoop. [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-distancing-race-coronavirus.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytim...
roenxi 4y ago
The ones [0] I'm principally worried about are Article 13 (freedom of movement within the borders of a state & right to leave from/return to their country), Article 20 (freedom to assemble), Article 23 (right to work) and Article 27 (right to participate in local cultural life). There were some pretty profound attacks on those. Arguably also Article 9 (arbitrary detention) and Article 26 (right to an education). Although I don't think those are as convincing but the direction we moved in on these wasn't good. [0] https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...
- hef19898 4y ago
  All which were never "cancelled", school went on and freedom to assembly always imvolved goverment approval. That being said, some of the most massive demonstrations I can remember tool place during Covid in Germany.

People don't like being told to cooperate for the greater good. Wish more people knew about the tragedy of the commons, and how the survival of our species depends on selfless cooperation.

ch4s3 4y ago

Even if you're strongly in favor of the more sever restrictions of early 2020 in the US and Europe you have to acknowledge that a lot of normal rights were suspended with the aim of combatting the pandemic. New Zealand even suspended the right of its citizens to return home for a long period of time, which is a pretty harsh violation of rights, and runs contrary to international law. New Zealand's own high court found that to be the case.

aaronbrethorst 4y ago
New Zealand’s high court found the lottery system used to allocate quarantine spots and the wait time infringed on its citizens’ rights, not forcing a quarantine. However, Mallon did find that requiring returning New Zealanders to quarantine was not in itself an unjustified infringement. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-high-court-finds-quarantine-allocation-system-infringed-rights-2022-04-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-high-...
- ch4s3 4y ago
  Clearly my 1 sentence about it is an oversimplification, but that lottery system did in fact prevent New Zealand's own citizens from returning home. THat does probably violate international law.
Nutyea 4y ago
From the perspective of an American living in NYC: I genuinely didn't notice any of my normal rights being suspended. Sounds annoying for those New Zealanders (?), but already addressed? Personally "walk-back of basic human rights in the West through COVID" isn't something I consider a problem in any way, shape, or form, unless we're talking about things completely unrelated to Covid that happened at the same time.
- ch4s3 4y ago
  I also live in NYC, and the total closure of the city is clearly something that infringed on peoples' rights. The inability of people to earn a living was pretty serious. Freedom of assembly is written into the 1st amendment, and the city was literally arresting people for congregating outside in parks. This was especially prevalent in the Bronx in the spring of 2020. Bill de Blasio was literally having police arrest people for being near each other outside and cramming them into over crowded jails in the name of COVID safety, just think about that for a moment. [EDIT] For anyone who doesn't believe me, see this article from the NYT in 2020[1]. [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-distancing-race-coronavirus.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytim...
  - weakfish 4y ago
    Can you provide a source for those claims? I’m not arguing; genuinely curious.
    - ch4s3 4y ago
      Here's an article from 2020 in the NYT[1] talking about it. The article includes this gem: >Another dispute between officers and residents of the same predominantly black neighborhood over the guidelines led to a man being knocked unconscious. The resident in question was sitting on his own stoop. [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-distancing-race-coronavirus.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220731150232/https://www.nytim...

roenxi 4y ago

The ones [0] I'm principally worried about are Article 13 (freedom of movement within the borders of a state & right to leave from/return to their country), Article 20 (freedom to assemble), Article 23 (right to work) and Article 27 (right to participate in local cultural life). There were some pretty profound attacks on those. Arguably also Article 9 (arbitrary detention) and Article 26 (right to an education). Although I don't think those are as convincing but the direction we moved in on these wasn't good. [0] https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

hef19898 4y ago
All which were never "cancelled", school went on and freedom to assembly always imvolved goverment approval. That being said, some of the most massive demonstrations I can remember tool place during Covid in Germany.