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counterpoint: no. i been in some pretty stressful environments and never reacted like that. same for most guys i know. maybe it's different where you are but i

counterpoint: no. i been in some pretty stressful environments and never reacted like that. same for most guys i know. maybe it's different where you are but i never seen it even in private like that or with close friends.

addicted 4y ago
Unless you were raised in a forest, you’re also a product of the same environment, that tells boys and men since they are little that they shouldn’t cry.
qzx_pierri 4y ago
Men commit suicide 3.8x more than women[1] due to cavalier attitudes such as yours about the mental struggles men face. I'm not saying you're a "part of the problem", I'm just saying you could really benefit from admitting to yourself that yes, men do cry. Yes, men do feel the same emotions as women. Yes, men do have to hold it in for fear of being labeled a "pussy" or be seen as "crying like a little bitch". 1: https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/ https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/
- ModernMech 4y ago
  This is a little misleading. Men attempt suicide with more reliably lethal methods like firearms, whereas women attempt suicide using more unreliably lethal methods like overdosing on medication [1]. In fact, according to your link, women attempt suicide at a rate of 1.8x that of men [2]. [1]: https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508 https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-m... [2]: https://www.datocms-assets.com/12810/1649682186-14296_afsp_2022_national_fact_sheet_update_m1_v4.pdf https://www.datocms-assets.com/12810/1649682186-14296_afsp_2...
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  - Banana699 4y ago
    >Men attempt suicide with more reliably lethal methods like firearms And succeed ~4x times as much. In other words, GP is correct and you just needed to scratch an itch to nitpick.
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      The claim was that the number was due to cavalier attitudes, which is unsupported. I think the added context is important. Maybe you don’t, but others might. The drastic 3.8x number is more a function of the mode of suicide rather than cavalier attitudes, as far as I see it.
naravara 4y ago
I don't know if "They're better at hiding it" is sufficiently negated by responding with "I've never seen it." Also crying isn't the only form of emotional breakdown. It can also get sublimated into rage which manifests as screaming at subordinates, punching walls, road rage incidents, and domestic violence. And it also sublimates into depression, which can manifest as substance abuse disorders and self-harm. I think the OP claim that women are incapable of handling the same workplace pressures as men are is eliding a lot of information.
dylan604 4y ago
lots of men do the opposite of crying by reacting with some sort of anger/rage in whatever public outbursts (verbal or physical). I present my younger self as exhibit A to verbal stupidity and admit guilt to all charges in this manner. It wasn't until maybe 10ish years ago that I got tired of just being angry at everything. Maybe I could have gotten there sooner with professional counseling, but that wasn't the manly thing to do. The stigma of men seeking therapy is something that can only improve. Just don't know how to do it other than speaking positively about it at appropriate times
- ksdale 4y ago
  This. Patriarchy sort of collectively defines the "emotion" out of the ways that men act out. When women cry, they're being emotional, when men get angry, it's a rational response to people acting the wrong way. (Not to mention the fact that the idea of being "emotional" is itself, considered bad somehow!) When you start to notice the ways that men act out emotionally for what they are, it becomes apparent that men are easily as emotional as women (I'd argue much more so), it just manifests in ways that society has deemed manly.
  - jkeddo 4y ago
    This is the most insightful comment I've read in weeks and I've never thought of things this way before. This changes the way I look at people. Men and women are just as emotional: The main difference is that men are shamed for being sad/crying, so our emotions end up manifesting as anger instead. Men get angry because they aren't allowed to cry.
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addicted 4y ago

Unless you were raised in a forest, you’re also a product of the same environment, that tells boys and men since they are little that they shouldn’t cry.

qzx_pierri 4y ago

Men commit suicide 3.8x more than women[1] due to cavalier attitudes such as yours about the mental struggles men face. I'm not saying you're a "part of the problem", I'm just saying you could really benefit from admitting to yourself that yes, men do cry. Yes, men do feel the same emotions as women. Yes, men do have to hold it in for fear of being labeled a "pussy" or be seen as "crying like a little bitch". 1: https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/ https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/

ModernMech 4y ago
This is a little misleading. Men attempt suicide with more reliably lethal methods like firearms, whereas women attempt suicide using more unreliably lethal methods like overdosing on medication [1]. In fact, according to your link, women attempt suicide at a rate of 1.8x that of men [2]. [1]: https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508 https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-m... [2]: https://www.datocms-assets.com/12810/1649682186-14296_afsp_2022_national_fact_sheet_update_m1_v4.pdf https://www.datocms-assets.com/12810/1649682186-14296_afsp_2...
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- Banana699 4y ago
  >Men attempt suicide with more reliably lethal methods like firearms And succeed ~4x times as much. In other words, GP is correct and you just needed to scratch an itch to nitpick.
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    The claim was that the number was due to cavalier attitudes, which is unsupported. I think the added context is important. Maybe you don’t, but others might. The drastic 3.8x number is more a function of the mode of suicide rather than cavalier attitudes, as far as I see it.

naravara 4y ago

I don't know if "They're better at hiding it" is sufficiently negated by responding with "I've never seen it." Also crying isn't the only form of emotional breakdown. It can also get sublimated into rage which manifests as screaming at subordinates, punching walls, road rage incidents, and domestic violence. And it also sublimates into depression, which can manifest as substance abuse disorders and self-harm. I think the OP claim that women are incapable of handling the same workplace pressures as men are is eliding a lot of information.

dylan604 4y ago

lots of men do the opposite of crying by reacting with some sort of anger/rage in whatever public outbursts (verbal or physical). I present my younger self as exhibit A to verbal stupidity and admit guilt to all charges in this manner. It wasn't until maybe 10ish years ago that I got tired of just being angry at everything. Maybe I could have gotten there sooner with professional counseling, but that wasn't the manly thing to do. The stigma of men seeking therapy is something that can only improve. Just don't know how to do it other than speaking positively about it at appropriate times

ksdale 4y ago
This. Patriarchy sort of collectively defines the "emotion" out of the ways that men act out. When women cry, they're being emotional, when men get angry, it's a rational response to people acting the wrong way. (Not to mention the fact that the idea of being "emotional" is itself, considered bad somehow!) When you start to notice the ways that men act out emotionally for what they are, it becomes apparent that men are easily as emotional as women (I'd argue much more so), it just manifests in ways that society has deemed manly.
- jkeddo 4y ago
  This is the most insightful comment I've read in weeks and I've never thought of things this way before. This changes the way I look at people. Men and women are just as emotional: The main difference is that men are shamed for being sad/crying, so our emotions end up manifesting as anger instead. Men get angry because they aren't allowed to cry.

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