4 ms·

"I can retire by 65... I just need a budget." Catching up to meet some goal no one understands isn't possible. The world will get warmer and warmer until some

"I can retire by 65... I just need a budget." Catching up to meet some goal no one understands isn't possible. The world will get warmer and warmer until some market/military/survival barrier is reached. "We need to pass this law so that in 1000 years sea levels will be X" is complete farce. I'm not saying the science is wrong. I've read the ipcc reports and im convinced of human caused warming. I'm saying being right about the science says almost nothing about what changes need to be made in the world. Humans dont care about altering the environment to meet our needs. The Holocene Extinction carries on.

melenaboija 4y ago
> I'm saying being right about the science says almost nothing about what changes need to be made in the world. What? Maybe reducing CO2 emissions? Maybe you meant that being right about the science says almost nothing about what human beings are willing to do to solve it. And I guess “science” does not have an opinion about the system we live in, arguably.
- nh23423fefe 4y ago
  That's tautological though. The ipcc report says CO2 causes warming. So of course less emissions would mean less warming. No, I didn't mean to say what you said. I meant to say what I said.
  - melenaboija 4y ago
    I guess that if it is a tautology then science says that we have to reduce emissions. And apologies for my wording.
wffurr 4y ago
We're just here to consume the energy gradient. Nature abhors unused reserves of energy. 2nd law of thermodynamics etc. Something was bound to evolve that would burn up all the fossil fuels buried underground.
candiodari 4y ago
You do realise the earth is at the very end of an interglacial period? The purpose of "stopping global warming" is not to stop the earth warming. Stopping warming would be as bad as global warming. Reversing warming would be much worse. We want to slow it, not stop it. Global warming is the (as usual incredibly well-chosen) name for the rate of increase in temperature going up way too fast. The purpose is to stretch the next 100 years of warming at the current rates to call it 2000 years of warming. To make it take longer. Not to stop it, and not to reverse it. The ideal global warming changes will keep warming the planet, just much slower than is currently happening. The problem is I'm going to get downvoted for this, as there is an anti-global-warming "theory" that says we're at the start of the next ice age. And like all good lies, it's essentially true. In the next few thousand years an ice age should start. The name global warming, however, means that if possible it'd be nice if all the remaining progress to the next ice age didn't happen in ~200 years.

melenaboija 4y ago

> I'm saying being right about the science says almost nothing about what changes need to be made in the world. What? Maybe reducing CO2 emissions? Maybe you meant that being right about the science says almost nothing about what human beings are willing to do to solve it. And I guess “science” does not have an opinion about the system we live in, arguably.

nh23423fefe 4y ago
That's tautological though. The ipcc report says CO2 causes warming. So of course less emissions would mean less warming. No, I didn't mean to say what you said. I meant to say what I said.
- melenaboija 4y ago
  I guess that if it is a tautology then science says that we have to reduce emissions. And apologies for my wording.

wffurr 4y ago

We're just here to consume the energy gradient. Nature abhors unused reserves of energy. 2nd law of thermodynamics etc. Something was bound to evolve that would burn up all the fossil fuels buried underground.

candiodari 4y ago

You do realise the earth is at the very end of an interglacial period? The purpose of "stopping global warming" is not to stop the earth warming. Stopping warming would be as bad as global warming. Reversing warming would be much worse. We want to slow it, not stop it. Global warming is the (as usual incredibly well-chosen) name for the rate of increase in temperature going up way too fast. The purpose is to stretch the next 100 years of warming at the current rates to call it 2000 years of warming. To make it take longer. Not to stop it, and not to reverse it. The ideal global warming changes will keep warming the planet, just much slower than is currently happening. The problem is I'm going to get downvoted for this, as there is an anti-global-warming "theory" that says we're at the start of the next ice age. And like all good lies, it's essentially true. In the next few thousand years an ice age should start. The name global warming, however, means that if possible it'd be nice if all the remaining progress to the next ice age didn't happen in ~200 years.