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This is because women are under-diagnosed for most mental health disorders except for Bipolar and BPD, for which they are over-diagnosed. They build communitie

by jnovek 4y ago

This is because women are under-diagnosed for most mental health disorders except for Bipolar and BPD, for which they are over-diagnosed. They build communities because their doctors aren’t helping them.

collegeburner 4y ago
do you have somewhere where i can read more about this? i havent seen it before and am interested.
- fsociety 4y ago
  Shared a good article about this below. You can see the bias crop up in the comments here unfortunately. I would say there are as many uninformed opinions on here as there are with people on TikTok self-diagnosing themselves with a mental illness. It is quite sad. I personally know that being diagnosed with depression when you have ADHD instead is debilitating. It feels like nothing will fix you. But then with an ADHD diagnosis it was much easier to be present in the world. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180523-how-gender-bias-affects-your-healthcare https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180523-how-gender-bias-...
  - jnovek 4y ago
    “…diagnostic errors cause 40,000-80,000 deaths in the US alone…” If it’s as high as 80,000 per year, that would be about the same as U.S. automobile and gun-related deaths combined.
cloutchaser 4y ago
Or in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas. (this is a fact, and was proven with things like the anorexia epidemic)
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  > in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas This is true in the broadest possible sense. It's why teenagers rebel against all social norms. The teenage mind mind is particularly geared toward identity discovery and without it, young adult minds would be simple inputs of their parents. Besides that, nearly all big ideas are infectious. Language, gender, religion, politics, economics, &c are all incredibly infection ideas. You can look here and see any number of idea transmission vectors eager to transmit and propagate their strain of mental virus. I'd encourage you to do some reading on childhood identity development (Marcia 1980). It seems as though you're advocating for identity foreclosure, by way of inoculating the teenage mind. But, you have to keep in mind that there are no anti-bodies here. It's virii all the way down.
  - hitekker 4y ago
    Idea differ in the degree of virality however. They also differ in the degree of parasitism; some are designed to spread as much as possible with no regard for the longevity of the host. Cults, as an extreme example, seize upon vulnerable adolescents using relatable & poisonous ideas. Ideas designed to foreclose the identities of their hosts as fast as possible in order to add new members to the cult. Kind of like a "ponzi scheme" but for insecure and fashionable group identities. One antibody could be questions about "time" that adults ask and teens do not. Teens haven't lived long enough to know that a dark feeling that feels like forever could just be one moment in their lives. I think my parents helped me avoid parasitic beliefs in my adolescence by asking me good questions.
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      I think what you're describing at the end is the most insidious and parasitic idea of them all. Teen angst stems from finally learning enough about how the world works and wanting to change it, but what I'm reading is the desire to redirect that want into a foreclosed acceptance of the status quo. It's the mental castration of a burgeoning will to power that leads to life long economic-social-political impotence. To reframe it as whims and folly of youth denies us of a billion possible futures. No wonder the kids today feel hopeless about the future, they've been infected with it on purpose.
- frozenlettuce 4y ago
  People usually only think about sexual predators preying on young people, but there are lots of "ideological predators" doing the same thing. Libertarians, communists, religious folks (yes, I know that this post upsets the whole political spectrum).
  - cloutchaser 4y ago
    Spreading a predatory ideology of “let everyone be free unless they hurt others” is a lot less damaging to society than spreading: “X group is oppressing you and you should be resentful and take revenge on them”
nemo44x 4y ago
dangus 4y ago
I've heard too many women share stories about predominately male doctors being completely dismissive of symptoms as a generality. It really boils down to the basic cultural tendency for men to simply not trust what women are saying on nearly any subject. There's no way you could know what's wrong with you, there's no way you could understand math, there's no way you can tell me how to patch drywall, etc.

by jnovek 4y ago

collegeburner 4y ago

do you have somewhere where i can read more about this? i havent seen it before and am interested.

fsociety 4y ago
Shared a good article about this below. You can see the bias crop up in the comments here unfortunately. I would say there are as many uninformed opinions on here as there are with people on TikTok self-diagnosing themselves with a mental illness. It is quite sad. I personally know that being diagnosed with depression when you have ADHD instead is debilitating. It feels like nothing will fix you. But then with an ADHD diagnosis it was much easier to be present in the world. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180523-how-gender-bias-affects-your-healthcare https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180523-how-gender-bias-...
- jnovek 4y ago
  “…diagnostic errors cause 40,000-80,000 deaths in the US alone…” If it’s as high as 80,000 per year, that would be about the same as U.S. automobile and gun-related deaths combined.

cloutchaser 4y ago

Or in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas. (this is a fact, and was proven with things like the anorexia epidemic)

kelseyfrog 4y ago
> in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas This is true in the broadest possible sense. It's why teenagers rebel against all social norms. The teenage mind mind is particularly geared toward identity discovery and without it, young adult minds would be simple inputs of their parents. Besides that, nearly all big ideas are infectious. Language, gender, religion, politics, economics, &c are all incredibly infection ideas. You can look here and see any number of idea transmission vectors eager to transmit and propagate their strain of mental virus. I'd encourage you to do some reading on childhood identity development (Marcia 1980). It seems as though you're advocating for identity foreclosure, by way of inoculating the teenage mind. But, you have to keep in mind that there are no anti-bodies here. It's virii all the way down.
- hitekker 4y ago
  Idea differ in the degree of virality however. They also differ in the degree of parasitism; some are designed to spread as much as possible with no regard for the longevity of the host. Cults, as an extreme example, seize upon vulnerable adolescents using relatable & poisonous ideas. Ideas designed to foreclose the identities of their hosts as fast as possible in order to add new members to the cult. Kind of like a "ponzi scheme" but for insecure and fashionable group identities. One antibody could be questions about "time" that adults ask and teens do not. Teens haven't lived long enough to know that a dark feeling that feels like forever could just be one moment in their lives. I think my parents helped me avoid parasitic beliefs in my adolescence by asking me good questions.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    I think what you're describing at the end is the most insidious and parasitic idea of them all. Teen angst stems from finally learning enough about how the world works and wanting to change it, but what I'm reading is the desire to redirect that want into a foreclosed acceptance of the status quo. It's the mental castration of a burgeoning will to power that leads to life long economic-social-political impotence. To reframe it as whims and folly of youth denies us of a billion possible futures. No wonder the kids today feel hopeless about the future, they've been infected with it on purpose.
frozenlettuce 4y ago
People usually only think about sexual predators preying on young people, but there are lots of "ideological predators" doing the same thing. Libertarians, communists, religious folks (yes, I know that this post upsets the whole political spectrum).
- cloutchaser 4y ago
  Spreading a predatory ideology of “let everyone be free unless they hurt others” is a lot less damaging to society than spreading: “X group is oppressing you and you should be resentful and take revenge on them”

nemo44x 4y ago

dangus 4y ago

I've heard too many women share stories about predominately male doctors being completely dismissive of symptoms as a generality. It really boils down to the basic cultural tendency for men to simply not trust what women are saying on nearly any subject. There's no way you could know what's wrong with you, there's no way you could understand math, there's no way you can tell me how to patch drywall, etc.