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It certainly matters: Many kids watching TikTok also start imagining wrong things about their sexuality. Apparently up to 25% of the upcoming zoomers identify a

It certainly matters: Many kids watching TikTok also start imagining wrong things about their sexuality. Apparently up to 25% of the upcoming zoomers identify as LGBTQ. Obviously, biological, empirical nonsense. Turns out most of it is absolute imagination yet many start to undergo hormone therapy etc immediately. There's a whole detrans movement of such folks who regret doing such, often irreversible, massive damage to their body. It certainly matters.

falcolas 4y ago
> start imagining ... things about their sexuality So they're exploring their sexuality, and you think this is wrong? I remember questioning my sexuality as a teenager... in the 90's, long before the internet functionally existed for me. > imagining wrong things ... biological, empirical nonsense Oh. Nevermind. You've already decided to cast normal behavior and questions as immoral, so I'll never change your mind.
- jdthedisciple 4y ago
  > You've already decided to cast normal behavior and questions as immoral I may or may not have, but that aside "wrong" as I used it here clearly means "factually wrong", not "morally wrong". I'm not disputing that there are legitimate cases. Simply saying the sheer spike in it from one generation to the next should make any rational person smell the rotten tuna. I even have 1st hand experience with it: My teenie brother who thought for about 1-2 years he was trans and even considered biological sex change but as he matured a little realized that nah he's just gay. Fact is kids and teens are actually dumb and don't know a lot about human psychology and physiology. They don't understand for example that simply being a little on the feminine side as a man or vice versa doesn't make you trans. And it ruins lives - primarily their own! We should not act, as adults and parents, like we don't know better than them at least in 99% of the cases.
madamelic 4y ago
> Apparently up to 25% of the upcoming zoomers identify as LGBTQ. Obviously, biological, empirical nonsense. Much lower than it probably is. Most people, by my estimate, aren't perfect 0 or 6 on the Kinsey scale [0]. The majority of people are somewhere between 1 and 5. It's still a bimodal distribution but I'd estimate most people aren't purely gay or straight. Sexuality is similar to mental illness in my opinion (STAY WITH ME!), most people have sub-clinical cases of lots of mental illnesses, maybe a facet or two due to maladaption because of being a human (sexually wise: having a fetish, having a 'thing' for secondary sex characteristics of their sex, etc) but it doesn't cross a threshold where it becomes behaviourly significant. Ask someone "If you had to sleep with someone of the same sex, who would it be?" If they have an honest answer of a specific person, they aren't _technically_ straight. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale
- jdthedisciple 4y ago
  > Sexuality is similar to mental illness in my opinion ..., there are sub-clinical cases where someone can have a degree of it but it doesn't cross a threshold where it becomes behaviourly significant. Honestly seems like a perfect comparison in my experience as well.
devmor 4y ago
Is it really nonsense, or are people from our generation and older just stifled to fit themselves into very narrow boxes that the younger folks are refusing to comply with? > There's a whole detrans movement of such folks who regret doing such, often irreversible, massive damage to their body. I looked into this a while back and found that the vast majority of this "movement" was british transphobes making up stories about their friend who this definitely happened to. Didn't seem to have a whole lot of legitimacy to it. Why British specifically? Beats me but they were definitely over-represented amongst these stories.

falcolas 4y ago

> start imagining ... things about their sexuality So they're exploring their sexuality, and you think this is wrong? I remember questioning my sexuality as a teenager... in the 90's, long before the internet functionally existed for me. > imagining wrong things ... biological, empirical nonsense Oh. Nevermind. You've already decided to cast normal behavior and questions as immoral, so I'll never change your mind.

jdthedisciple 4y ago
> You've already decided to cast normal behavior and questions as immoral I may or may not have, but that aside "wrong" as I used it here clearly means "factually wrong", not "morally wrong". I'm not disputing that there are legitimate cases. Simply saying the sheer spike in it from one generation to the next should make any rational person smell the rotten tuna. I even have 1st hand experience with it: My teenie brother who thought for about 1-2 years he was trans and even considered biological sex change but as he matured a little realized that nah he's just gay. Fact is kids and teens are actually dumb and don't know a lot about human psychology and physiology. They don't understand for example that simply being a little on the feminine side as a man or vice versa doesn't make you trans. And it ruins lives - primarily their own! We should not act, as adults and parents, like we don't know better than them at least in 99% of the cases.

madamelic 4y ago

> Apparently up to 25% of the upcoming zoomers identify as LGBTQ. Obviously, biological, empirical nonsense. Much lower than it probably is. Most people, by my estimate, aren't perfect 0 or 6 on the Kinsey scale [0]. The majority of people are somewhere between 1 and 5. It's still a bimodal distribution but I'd estimate most people aren't purely gay or straight. Sexuality is similar to mental illness in my opinion (STAY WITH ME!), most people have sub-clinical cases of lots of mental illnesses, maybe a facet or two due to maladaption because of being a human (sexually wise: having a fetish, having a 'thing' for secondary sex characteristics of their sex, etc) but it doesn't cross a threshold where it becomes behaviourly significant. Ask someone "If you had to sleep with someone of the same sex, who would it be?" If they have an honest answer of a specific person, they aren't _technically_ straight. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

jdthedisciple 4y ago
> Sexuality is similar to mental illness in my opinion ..., there are sub-clinical cases where someone can have a degree of it but it doesn't cross a threshold where it becomes behaviourly significant. Honestly seems like a perfect comparison in my experience as well.

devmor 4y ago

Is it really nonsense, or are people from our generation and older just stifled to fit themselves into very narrow boxes that the younger folks are refusing to comply with? > There's a whole detrans movement of such folks who regret doing such, often irreversible, massive damage to their body. I looked into this a while back and found that the vast majority of this "movement" was british transphobes making up stories about their friend who this definitely happened to. Didn't seem to have a whole lot of legitimacy to it. Why British specifically? Beats me but they were definitely over-represented amongst these stories.