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Delusions of persecution are strong here. Who on earth would say that disagreeing with the WH on the technical definition of recession is a conspiracy theory?

roleplayer 4y ago
The existence of covid was called a conspiracy theory at one point, the term is used so loosely that it has lost all meaning and just used as a sort of cognitive stop sign. You could say the widespread use of the term conspiracy theory to mean something other than literally a theory that there is a group conspiring about something is itself a conspiracy and it would be consistent with mainstream usage, blame the people who watered the term down to be meaningless
- mjburgess 4y ago
  I havent experienced it being meaningless. I do see this comment often, and I universally encounter it said by conspiracy theorists or their apologists. Ie., those people with unjustified conspiracy narratives born of delusions of paranoia. The 'theory' that china deliberately manufactured and released covid is a conspiracy theory. I have not seen COVID called one, nor even, the idea that a lab in china was researching it, nor that its release is accidental. There being a pandemic, that a lab is somewhere researching COVID, that a lab may have accidentally released COVID do not contain any conspiracies. The phrase is a very clear term of art in my view: a conspiracy theory is a story about how the world works which places implausible conspiracies at the heart of its causal structure; in the manner of movie plots; and presents a paranoid style of reasoning in which major events, and their distal effects, are the deliberate decisions of a small number of people. Conspiracy theories, and theorists, are by definition engaged in an epistemic vice; a pseudoscientific activity of explanation; a kind of intellectualised schizoprehnia.
mrcheesebreeze 4y ago
many people, nowadays if you disagree with the current president his entire "side" will insult you. It was a conspiracy theory, according to liberals, to believe that the vaccine would be mandatory and that it would not stop the disease. Remember people saying that were called crazy not long ago. It was a conspiracy that russia would invade ukraine according to conservatives until it happened. Speculation gets you insulted until you are right. Now if you say there is a recession biden worshippers will assume this is some kind of personal attack.
- mjburgess 4y ago
  Is the vaccine mandatory? Who said it would "stop" the disease? Which "conservatives" said Russia wouldn't invade? The realist view of IR is, largely, the conservative one -- and many conservatives were saying Russia was strongly inclined to engage in this sort of politics. I have no idea what you're talking about. This just seems like apologetics for conspiracy theories. "'They said' X was a conspiracy, and it isnt! When I say Y is, soon you'll find out it isnt too!". Well 'They' didnt say it was; these mythologies of persecution reveal a lot.
  - warning26 4y ago
    Yeah this guy’s a nutcase. The Biden admin repeatedly said Russia would invade Ukraine amidst Russia’s persistent denials.
    - DIARRHEA_xd 4y ago
      Perhaps you misread? The parent comment says: > It was a conspiracy theory, according to liberals, to believe that the vaccine would be mandatory and that it would not stop the disease. > It was a conspiracy that russia would invade ukraine according to conservatives until it happened. You appear to be agreeing with him? In any case, the use of "nutcase" isn't productive.
      - mrcheesebreeze 4y ago
        yeah I was providing two examples for each side, if I remember fox news claimed russia wouldn't invade. The whole point was to show that its a common tactic regardless of your "side" of the political spectrum to demonize speculations as foolish conspiracy theories. I was attempting to avoid being biased.
  - keneda7 4y ago
    Not the original person you responded to by in my eyes when you say the vaccinated can't get covid and the vaccinated cant spread covid you are implying it will stop the disease but again that is just my opinion. Both the CDC director and our current president said these things...

roleplayer 4y ago

The existence of covid was called a conspiracy theory at one point, the term is used so loosely that it has lost all meaning and just used as a sort of cognitive stop sign. You could say the widespread use of the term conspiracy theory to mean something other than literally a theory that there is a group conspiring about something is itself a conspiracy and it would be consistent with mainstream usage, blame the people who watered the term down to be meaningless

mjburgess 4y ago
I havent experienced it being meaningless. I do see this comment often, and I universally encounter it said by conspiracy theorists or their apologists. Ie., those people with unjustified conspiracy narratives born of delusions of paranoia. The 'theory' that china deliberately manufactured and released covid is a conspiracy theory. I have not seen COVID called one, nor even, the idea that a lab in china was researching it, nor that its release is accidental. There being a pandemic, that a lab is somewhere researching COVID, that a lab may have accidentally released COVID do not contain any conspiracies. The phrase is a very clear term of art in my view: a conspiracy theory is a story about how the world works which places implausible conspiracies at the heart of its causal structure; in the manner of movie plots; and presents a paranoid style of reasoning in which major events, and their distal effects, are the deliberate decisions of a small number of people. Conspiracy theories, and theorists, are by definition engaged in an epistemic vice; a pseudoscientific activity of explanation; a kind of intellectualised schizoprehnia.

mrcheesebreeze 4y ago

many people, nowadays if you disagree with the current president his entire "side" will insult you. It was a conspiracy theory, according to liberals, to believe that the vaccine would be mandatory and that it would not stop the disease. Remember people saying that were called crazy not long ago. It was a conspiracy that russia would invade ukraine according to conservatives until it happened. Speculation gets you insulted until you are right. Now if you say there is a recession biden worshippers will assume this is some kind of personal attack.

mjburgess 4y ago
Is the vaccine mandatory? Who said it would "stop" the disease? Which "conservatives" said Russia wouldn't invade? The realist view of IR is, largely, the conservative one -- and many conservatives were saying Russia was strongly inclined to engage in this sort of politics. I have no idea what you're talking about. This just seems like apologetics for conspiracy theories. "'They said' X was a conspiracy, and it isnt! When I say Y is, soon you'll find out it isnt too!". Well 'They' didnt say it was; these mythologies of persecution reveal a lot.
- warning26 4y ago
  Yeah this guy’s a nutcase. The Biden admin repeatedly said Russia would invade Ukraine amidst Russia’s persistent denials.
  - DIARRHEA_xd 4y ago
    Perhaps you misread? The parent comment says: > It was a conspiracy theory, according to liberals, to believe that the vaccine would be mandatory and that it would not stop the disease. > It was a conspiracy that russia would invade ukraine according to conservatives until it happened. You appear to be agreeing with him? In any case, the use of "nutcase" isn't productive.
    - mrcheesebreeze 4y ago
      yeah I was providing two examples for each side, if I remember fox news claimed russia wouldn't invade. The whole point was to show that its a common tactic regardless of your "side" of the political spectrum to demonize speculations as foolish conspiracy theories. I was attempting to avoid being biased.
- keneda7 4y ago
  Not the original person you responded to by in my eyes when you say the vaccinated can't get covid and the vaccinated cant spread covid you are implying it will stop the disease but again that is just my opinion. Both the CDC director and our current president said these things...