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You already know the answer, but it's well-established consensus among historians that the Anne Frank diary is authentic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diar

by hnbad 4y ago

You already know the answer, but it's well-established consensus among historians that the Anne Frank diary is authentic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diary_of_a_Young_Girl#Authenticity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diary_of_a_Young_Girl#Auth... The conspiracy theory that it is fabricated is mostly pushed by fringe "historical revisionists" engaging in Holocaust denial. There are some Christian fundamentalists in the US who also peddle this narrative because the original unedited diary contains segments describing Anne Frank (a girl) feeling physical and romantic attraction towards other girls -- despite the glaring issue with this narrative being that her estate initially removed these sections from the published versions because they were uncomfortable with them. You don't need to play these games here. Pretending you're "just asking questions" to hide your political alignment is not working as well as you think and not nearly as clever as it makes you feel.

teddyh 4y ago
> You already know the answer No, I actually did not. I believed (and still do) that the diary is mostly true, with some editing and sanitizing being done for publication. I had heard that there was some minor controversy regarding those edits and omissions, and I assumed that the flippant post by user “halffaday” (who is not me, N.B.) was referring to that. > The conspiracy theory that it is fabricated is mostly pushed by fringe "historical revisionists" engaging in Holocaust denial. I was not aware of this. All I saw was that a joke about Anne Frank’s diary not being 100% accurate turn into an accusation of antisemitism, with no explanation. Not everyone is aware of all of these opinions which are apparently widely considered proxies for antisemitism, racism, etc. > You don't need to play these games here. Pretending you're "just asking questions" to hide your political alignment No everybody who just asks question is secretly a nazi.
- hnbad 4y ago
  > No everybody who just asks question is secretly a nazi. If it walks and talks like a duck, it's usually a duck, even if it says and believes it's a goose. "Just asking questions" is literally a far right meme (if you're wondering, it's part of a tactic called "sealioning" using leading questions to spread talking points and derail conversations). I'm not saying you're a card-carrying member of the German National Socialist Workers Party, but whether intentionally or (more likely) accidentally, you're hitting a lot of the same chords and you might want to reflect on where you picked them up and why. To be clear: HN is fairly accepting of far-right accounts as long as they avoid being explicitly so (and even then they're more likely to be downvoted than actually banned). The person who made the "joke" about Anne Frank has a history of making easy-to-miss remarks that just happen to fit in a certain political bend (e.g. complaining about "exotic sexual identities" or stating everything got worse because of something unspecified happening in the 1960s, a decade defined by civil rights victories). Even if HN's moderation policy was to actually ban far right individuals they probably would have a hard time justifying this one even if the aggregate of these comments paints an obvious picture for anyone familiar with the tropes. It's always just jokes. The playbook literally involves telling "jokes" until you stop laughing (i.e. when it stops being a joke or as they say "when the joke really lands"). Far right communities have been at this for well over a decade at this point (though the defining moment was most definitely the GamerGate harassment campaign that populated "red pilling" in their target demographic). "Edgy jokes" are the gateway. You are not immune to propaganda.

by hnbad 4y ago

teddyh 4y ago

> You already know the answer No, I actually did not. I believed (and still do) that the diary is mostly true, with some editing and sanitizing being done for publication. I had heard that there was some minor controversy regarding those edits and omissions, and I assumed that the flippant post by user “halffaday” (who is not me, N.B.) was referring to that. > The conspiracy theory that it is fabricated is mostly pushed by fringe "historical revisionists" engaging in Holocaust denial. I was not aware of this. All I saw was that a joke about Anne Frank’s diary not being 100% accurate turn into an accusation of antisemitism, with no explanation. Not everyone is aware of all of these opinions which are apparently widely considered proxies for antisemitism, racism, etc. > You don't need to play these games here. Pretending you're "just asking questions" to hide your political alignment No everybody who just asks question is secretly a nazi.

hnbad 4y ago
> No everybody who just asks question is secretly a nazi. If it walks and talks like a duck, it's usually a duck, even if it says and believes it's a goose. "Just asking questions" is literally a far right meme (if you're wondering, it's part of a tactic called "sealioning" using leading questions to spread talking points and derail conversations). I'm not saying you're a card-carrying member of the German National Socialist Workers Party, but whether intentionally or (more likely) accidentally, you're hitting a lot of the same chords and you might want to reflect on where you picked them up and why. To be clear: HN is fairly accepting of far-right accounts as long as they avoid being explicitly so (and even then they're more likely to be downvoted than actually banned). The person who made the "joke" about Anne Frank has a history of making easy-to-miss remarks that just happen to fit in a certain political bend (e.g. complaining about "exotic sexual identities" or stating everything got worse because of something unspecified happening in the 1960s, a decade defined by civil rights victories). Even if HN's moderation policy was to actually ban far right individuals they probably would have a hard time justifying this one even if the aggregate of these comments paints an obvious picture for anyone familiar with the tropes. It's always just jokes. The playbook literally involves telling "jokes" until you stop laughing (i.e. when it stops being a joke or as they say "when the joke really lands"). Far right communities have been at this for well over a decade at this point (though the defining moment was most definitely the GamerGate harassment campaign that populated "red pilling" in their target demographic). "Edgy jokes" are the gateway. You are not immune to propaganda.