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Think long-term. Women handle home stuff and raise kids. Women can raise the next generation of boys and girls however they wish. If they keep propagating exist

by mantas 4y ago

Think long-term. Women handle home stuff and raise kids. Women can raise the next generation of boys and girls however they wish. If they keep propagating existing culture... It's done by women to next generation of women. Most Amish communities do send kids out to explore the world. And looking at other comments, Amish women are usually more adopted to outside world and have modern office skills helping men construction etc businesses. Semi-related... In my post-soviet country, we've a huge problem that women were forced out of home to the workforce in soviet era. Yet men were still sofa kings. Then 90s rolled in with huge unemployment and frequently women were handling both home & working, while men camped on sofas unemployed instead of taking care of the house. Guess who is propagating this culture? Mothers and grandmothers mostly. For decades they treated boys as a special case who should go out and play and they'll clean up the house. With the help of girls, obviously. In my own childhood, it was a recurring conflict. Mom telling me to do cleaning after school. Grandmother not allowing me to do that and kicking out of the house while cleaning herself. And talking around, it's a very common pattern. Also, guess who is talking shit how men are lazy?

lotsofpulp 4y ago
> Women can raise the next generation of boys and girls however they wish. If they keep propagating existing culture... It's done by women to next generation of women. If your claim is that only women are responsible for propagating cultures where women are considered property, require dowry payments, lack women’s rights such as schooling, property rights, voting, driving, etc., then we will have to disagree. I am pretty sure men have something to do with shackling women in certain societies.
- mantas 4y ago
  Who raises those men?
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Many people. Fathers, mothers, grandparents, other family members, friends, teachers, media, bosses. I do not know where you intend to go with your thoughts, but if you are holding women solely responsible for the way men behave, again, we will have to simply disagree.
    - mantas 4y ago
      We're talking traditional societies here. It's mostly homeschooling and media is next-to-non-existant. Kids working parents' farm don't have bosses :) Friends and other family members are raised in the same culture by same women. In very traditional societies, (grand)fathers spend very little time with kids compared to (grand)mothers. Of course it's not just women to blame. Men themselves can bring the change too. But blaming just men is ignoring the elephant in the room. In traditional societies, women do have a crapton of power. It is power in a slightly different sense, but I'd argue that it's much bigger power. In modern world, men and women can easily operate on their own by fixing problems using money. In traditional society... Men are toasted if they loose women. Of course, women do have a damn hard time without men too. But this dependence is mutual.
      - lotsofpulp 4y ago
        And yet there are innumerable examples of societies where women lack freedoms and objective power, and almost none where men lack freedoms compared to women. Seems to directly contradict any notion of both sexes having similar levels of power. Hell, 2022 USA is removing women’s power to get the healthcare they need.
        mantas 4y ago
        They lack freedoms and objective power according to your perception. At the same time women who don't need to care about making income in consumerist world can focus on family and local community. Which, coincidentally, gives a lot of power on raising the next generation. Looking from a different background, postmodernist „freedoms and objective power“ seem very narrow definition that skips a lot of nuances. Individualist postmodernism needs some diversity of thought in this area. P.S. It makes my brain freeze that killing fetus is „healthcare they need“. The new baby needs healthcare as well. For the record, I'm not against abortion per se because sometimes it is the lesser evil. But calling it „healthcare“ sounds batshit insane to me.
        lotsofpulp 4y ago

by mantas 4y ago

lotsofpulp 4y ago

> Women can raise the next generation of boys and girls however they wish. If they keep propagating existing culture... It's done by women to next generation of women. If your claim is that only women are responsible for propagating cultures where women are considered property, require dowry payments, lack women’s rights such as schooling, property rights, voting, driving, etc., then we will have to disagree. I am pretty sure men have something to do with shackling women in certain societies.

mantas 4y ago
Who raises those men?
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Many people. Fathers, mothers, grandparents, other family members, friends, teachers, media, bosses. I do not know where you intend to go with your thoughts, but if you are holding women solely responsible for the way men behave, again, we will have to simply disagree.
  - mantas 4y ago
    We're talking traditional societies here. It's mostly homeschooling and media is next-to-non-existant. Kids working parents' farm don't have bosses :) Friends and other family members are raised in the same culture by same women. In very traditional societies, (grand)fathers spend very little time with kids compared to (grand)mothers. Of course it's not just women to blame. Men themselves can bring the change too. But blaming just men is ignoring the elephant in the room. In traditional societies, women do have a crapton of power. It is power in a slightly different sense, but I'd argue that it's much bigger power. In modern world, men and women can easily operate on their own by fixing problems using money. In traditional society... Men are toasted if they loose women. Of course, women do have a damn hard time without men too. But this dependence is mutual.
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      And yet there are innumerable examples of societies where women lack freedoms and objective power, and almost none where men lack freedoms compared to women. Seems to directly contradict any notion of both sexes having similar levels of power. Hell, 2022 USA is removing women’s power to get the healthcare they need.
      - mantas 4y ago
        They lack freedoms and objective power according to your perception. At the same time women who don't need to care about making income in consumerist world can focus on family and local community. Which, coincidentally, gives a lot of power on raising the next generation. Looking from a different background, postmodernist „freedoms and objective power“ seem very narrow definition that skips a lot of nuances. Individualist postmodernism needs some diversity of thought in this area. P.S. It makes my brain freeze that killing fetus is „healthcare they need“. The new baby needs healthcare as well. For the record, I'm not against abortion per se because sometimes it is the lesser evil. But calling it „healthcare“ sounds batshit insane to me.
        lotsofpulp 4y ago