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> If it linked to that article people hearing e.g. Jordan Peterson use the term and then googling might be given a history of Marxist theory being applied to cu

> If it linked to that article people hearing e.g. Jordan Peterson use the term and then googling might be given a history of Marxist theory being applied to culture. Instead they see only that it’s an anti-Semitic right wing conspiracy theory Capital C, capital M "Cultural Marxism" and "Marxist theory being applied to culture" are two different things. As a parallel, should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda actually link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies? There are gender studies academics who work to normalize gay and trans people within popular culture (sorry, "establish[ing] a counter-hegemony within the existing cultural hegemony, thereby subverting it"). Saying that any gender theory being applied to culture should be categorized under the gay agenda would still be a category error.

edgyquant 4y ago
The real theory page, Marxist cultural analysis, is mentioned by name in the first paragraph of the conspiracy but not linked. I don’t know how wide spread this is on Wikipedia but there are a few of these examples that are very concerning and if our court system is utilizing it as suggested that is a worry. Yet another issue that mass information has created that solutions haven’t yet come up with. >As a parallel, should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda actually link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies? This is not even close to a parallel scenario and borders on bad faith.
- magicalist 4y ago
  > The real theory page, Marxist cultural analysis, is mentioned by name in the first paragraph of the conspiracy but not linked. I only see > "Cultural Marxism" redirects here. For "cultural Marxism" in the context of social theory and cultural studies, see Marxist cultural analysis. and "Marxist cultural analysis" is definitely linked. >> As a parallel, should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda actually link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies? > This is not even close to a parallel scenario and borders on bad faith. Conflating a specific set of accusations of supposed degeneracy eating away at the base of western culture with a wider academic discipline that includes studying/discussing said "degeneracy" seems appropriate to me but maybe you can be more specific about why you think they aren't parallel?
chjj 4y ago
> (sorry, "establish[ing] a counter-hegemony within the existing cultural hegemony, thereby subverting it") To be clear: you realize you're paraphrasing Gramsci, not quoting me, right?
- magicalist 4y ago
  Obviously. Helps crystalize the parallel.

edgyquant 4y ago

The real theory page, Marxist cultural analysis, is mentioned by name in the first paragraph of the conspiracy but not linked. I don’t know how wide spread this is on Wikipedia but there are a few of these examples that are very concerning and if our court system is utilizing it as suggested that is a worry. Yet another issue that mass information has created that solutions haven’t yet come up with. >As a parallel, should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda actually link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies? This is not even close to a parallel scenario and borders on bad faith.

magicalist 4y ago
> The real theory page, Marxist cultural analysis, is mentioned by name in the first paragraph of the conspiracy but not linked. I only see > "Cultural Marxism" redirects here. For "cultural Marxism" in the context of social theory and cultural studies, see Marxist cultural analysis. and "Marxist cultural analysis" is definitely linked. >> As a parallel, should https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_agenda actually link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_studies? > This is not even close to a parallel scenario and borders on bad faith. Conflating a specific set of accusations of supposed degeneracy eating away at the base of western culture with a wider academic discipline that includes studying/discussing said "degeneracy" seems appropriate to me but maybe you can be more specific about why you think they aren't parallel?

chjj 4y ago

> (sorry, "establish[ing] a counter-hegemony within the existing cultural hegemony, thereby subverting it") To be clear: you realize you're paraphrasing Gramsci, not quoting me, right?

magicalist 4y ago
Obviously. Helps crystalize the parallel.