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Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable. ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first cl
by kickout 4y ago
Please stay away from our water. I want no part in helping California become more unsustainable.
ETA: to westerners- You have enough water to maintain first class lifestyles. Allocate/ration it better or cap population. Stop stealing from others.
- stmfreak 4y agoAgreed. I’m in California and it is pretty obvious our water problems are due to outflows exceeding inflows. They are draining the reservoirs faster than ever. They were full three years ago and are supposed to last five to seven years of drought, by design. Meanwhile, natural reservoirs like Tahoe do not even recognize there in a drought.
- chrisbrandow 4y agoThe outflows exceed the inflows suddenly because the inflows have dwindled of late.
- space_fountain 4y agoLake Tahoe has dropped from it's most recent peak in 2019 and inflows do appear to be lower than normal, though perhaps normal should just be thought of as having changed
- skybrian 4y agoConsider the difference between stealing and buying water, and that often, in the Mississippi watershed, there is too much water. Selling water you don't need or want and getting paid for it doesn't seem like a bad thing? Although, a lot depends on the price.
- jtdev 4y ago
- kickout 4y agoselling mineral or water rights for a dime today is poor short term thinking. How did the owens valley owners make out after selling there water? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_water_wars https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_water_wars ETA: although only optics, very bad look for the richest state to “buy” water from one of the poorest states in what would almost 100% be a poor long term deal for Louisiana.
- RajT88 4y ago> Consider the difference between stealing and buying water, and that often, in the Mississippi watershed, there is too much water. Tapping into the Mississippi is the more sensible megaproject than the great lakes. Prevent the great floods by redirecting that water to the reservoirs out west. It's still a mad plan. Don't get me wrong.
- zactato 4y agoIt’s mostly used by agriculture. A large portion of the food you’re eating come from CA. I think there are some major crops that need to be rethought, but a broad crop failure would be pretty devastating to a lot of people in the US
- colineartheta 4y agoWould you dare to elaborate? I frequently see this sentiment, yet have never once seen any detail made as to how it’s possible. Please explain.
- hijinks 4y agoonce CA dries up the person above will then complain their food prices rose 4-5x because CA can't produce any food for them anymore. How about CA trades food for water.
- logicalmind 4y agoThe Great Lakes area is unable to produce food for about 6 months out of the year. So as long as people in the Great Lakes are eating preserved foods only during that time. I am fine with that trade.
- mbg721 4y agoEven if this were true, which states are putting sauerkraut on their bratwurst for sport??
- colineartheta 4y agoI am the “person above”, and my family and I have been farming in California the last 23 years. I absolutely would not complain about that; we have been raising our own produce rates in order to keep up with both supply and demand. We do trade our food for water: what resource do you think makes food?
- kickout 4y agoFruits and vegetables existed before the Central Valley you know. CA doesn’t have a monopoly on producing those. I’m fine not eating salad in December if you give all the water back from the Colorado river.
- hindsightbias 4y ago
- jb510 4y ago80% of water in California is used by agriculture, we’ll stop “stealing” water when you all stop “stealing” Cattle and Dairy, Almonds, Grapes, Lettuce, Strawberries, Tomatoes, and more a that we grow with water. Unless you’d rather buy that all shipped in from South America instead….
- jahewson 4y agoYep! 5th largest producer of food in the world.
- alar44 4y agoSure, we'll just grow it in the midwest, ie, the rest of the country. Only reason we grow mostly corn is because of subsidies. That can be easily changed. If you're suggesting CA is the only viable farmland in the country, you are mistaken.
- esalman 4y agoI don't think that's the only reason, and it is not by choice either. California weather is more temperate than the rest of the US and it is more suitable for many types of crops compared to the rest of the US.
- kickout 4y agoWe can engineer the crops (plant breeding) or engineer the water (current system). Eastern geographies that are rain fed could replace CA production no problem
- jahewson 4y agoNo. Firstly because California doesn't grow crops, it grows fruit and nuts, that grow on trees. Secondly because look, flavor and shelf-life all matter for these far more than crops, one cannot simply conjure up the desired properties. It's hard enough to create decent commercial fruit varietals as it is - a vast amount of effort and research has gone into creating the fruit and veg you see in the supermarket and there's already plenty of money to be had if you can, say, improve the self-life of an avocado without making it taste lousy. This work takes decades.
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- anon291 4y agoThis is not a west coast problem. North of sf, we get all our own rain water up until Canada. This is a central and southern Cali problem.