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The huge expense per homeless to little effect has been dubbed the “Homeless Industrial Complex”: A lot of money goes to politicians, their supporters, and bou

The huge expense per homeless to little effect has been dubbed the “Homeless Industrial Complex”: A lot of money goes to politicians, their supporters, and bourgeois — while only a small percentage goes to fixing homelessness. This is essentially looting the public by corrupt actors under the false guise of moral action.

dmix 4y ago
It might sound like some intentional conspiracy but it's mostly just a natural consequence of the stalemate. As long as new home development is crippled by zoning, NIMBYism, and the endless related issues it's only natural for those who care to become cynical and team up with those who don't to find ways to feed the never-ending demand for performative action (backed by millions of dollars) with a supply of expensive temporary solutions.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  i urge you to talk to ppl who have run low income housing. from the people i know who done it they quit bc it cost more to maintain it with all the damage and crime then a modest blue collar unit. "building more housing" dont fix nothing if the ppl who live there treat it like shit attract crime and don't reliably pay.
  - BitwiseFool 4y ago
    Why do you avoid proper capitalization and spelling out words in full? Have you intentionally modified your auto-correct so that it does not do this?
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  What you just described sounds like an intentional conspiracy: > team up […] to find ways to feed the never-ending demand for performative action (backed by [billions] of dollars) with a supply of expensive temporary solutions [that enrich themselves] If you’re spending most of the money on politicians, their friends, and bourgeois — for the purpose of virtue signaling rather than fixing the problem — you’re a second problem. Government looting the public.
- rasz 4y ago
  https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/homeless-shelters-founded-cuomo-riddled-violence-article-1.2628746 https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/homeless-shelters-found... > relative, Laurence Belinsky, who is married to one of Cuomo's cousins, was the group's CEO. Belinsky had to step down in 2011 after his $500,000 salary became public at a time when a Cuomo-appointed task force was looking at excessive compensation at charities. https://twitter.com/thebl0w/status/1418642879111745541 https://twitter.com/thebl0w/status/1418642879111745541 >This is a shelter on Ward’s island. NYC pays $3500 - $4000 per person a month to sleep in a room with 30 ppl.
  - dmix 4y ago
    Yep, those would be the people who don't care, who get teamed up with people who do, which I mentioned. Still not a conspiracy.
diogenescynic 4y ago
A lot of the funds go to bureaucrats running various targeted problems--so they spend like 80% of the funds on salaries of employees instead of it going to directly to the people who need it. We have too many programs--we just need one comprehensive program that gives them housing vouchers and assigns a social worker. And if you use drugs in public or steal--you get put in a halfway house or something. We need to do what Europe does... they have compassion but they enforce the law. US is the worst of all outcomes--expensive and getting nothing out of it.
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  > US is the worst of all outcomes--expensive and getting nothing out of it. Seattle in particular has turned to abusive gaslighting: Per capita, Seattle citizens pay nearly the most in the country — only for politicians to prey on that, by pocketing the money and heaping abuse (“yOu’Re nOt cOmPaSsIoNaTe!”) on the public to exploit their good nature. I’m at the point I hope a Republican administration drops the RICO hammer on the racketeering — these people need jail for a decade for their treachery.
- solardev 4y ago
  Well said.

dmix 4y ago

It might sound like some intentional conspiracy but it's mostly just a natural consequence of the stalemate. As long as new home development is crippled by zoning, NIMBYism, and the endless related issues it's only natural for those who care to become cynical and team up with those who don't to find ways to feed the never-ending demand for performative action (backed by millions of dollars) with a supply of expensive temporary solutions.

collegeburner 4y ago
i urge you to talk to ppl who have run low income housing. from the people i know who done it they quit bc it cost more to maintain it with all the damage and crime then a modest blue collar unit. "building more housing" dont fix nothing if the ppl who live there treat it like shit attract crime and don't reliably pay.
- BitwiseFool 4y ago
  Why do you avoid proper capitalization and spelling out words in full? Have you intentionally modified your auto-correct so that it does not do this?
zmgsabst 4y ago
What you just described sounds like an intentional conspiracy: > team up […] to find ways to feed the never-ending demand for performative action (backed by [billions] of dollars) with a supply of expensive temporary solutions [that enrich themselves] If you’re spending most of the money on politicians, their friends, and bourgeois — for the purpose of virtue signaling rather than fixing the problem — you’re a second problem. Government looting the public.
rasz 4y ago
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/homeless-shelters-founded-cuomo-riddled-violence-article-1.2628746 https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/homeless-shelters-found... > relative, Laurence Belinsky, who is married to one of Cuomo's cousins, was the group's CEO. Belinsky had to step down in 2011 after his $500,000 salary became public at a time when a Cuomo-appointed task force was looking at excessive compensation at charities. https://twitter.com/thebl0w/status/1418642879111745541 https://twitter.com/thebl0w/status/1418642879111745541 >This is a shelter on Ward’s island. NYC pays $3500 - $4000 per person a month to sleep in a room with 30 ppl.
- dmix 4y ago
  Yep, those would be the people who don't care, who get teamed up with people who do, which I mentioned. Still not a conspiracy.

diogenescynic 4y ago

A lot of the funds go to bureaucrats running various targeted problems--so they spend like 80% of the funds on salaries of employees instead of it going to directly to the people who need it. We have too many programs--we just need one comprehensive program that gives them housing vouchers and assigns a social worker. And if you use drugs in public or steal--you get put in a halfway house or something. We need to do what Europe does... they have compassion but they enforce the law. US is the worst of all outcomes--expensive and getting nothing out of it.

zmgsabst 4y ago
> US is the worst of all outcomes--expensive and getting nothing out of it. Seattle in particular has turned to abusive gaslighting: Per capita, Seattle citizens pay nearly the most in the country — only for politicians to prey on that, by pocketing the money and heaping abuse (“yOu’Re nOt cOmPaSsIoNaTe!”) on the public to exploit their good nature. I’m at the point I hope a Republican administration drops the RICO hammer on the racketeering — these people need jail for a decade for their treachery.
solardev 4y ago
Well said.