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> I 100% support people doing everything in their power to push these people out. Where do you advocate for them to go?

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
Soylent Green, apparently. Edit: I just realized this after writing this comment, but Soylent Green is supposed to take place in 2022. Life imitating art I suppose...
Fatnino 4y ago
Build a new city somewhere just for homeless people to sleep on the sidewalks in. Maybe name it New Detroit
- collegeburner 4y ago
  lol i've heard a few ppl pitching a "city for the homeless". build a government subsidized city in the most cheap ass land we can find in the country. away from everything else. free housing free food, nothing fancy. have them do jobs processing food or building weapons or whatever else the government needs. there's cops everywhere, you step out of line there's somebody there to taze your ass. imports and exports is controlled so they can't relapse on drugs. oh wait, we got something like that... prison. it does a shit job at fixing homeless ppl.
  - mike_d 4y ago
    > it does a shit job at fixing homeless ppl. A large portion of that population have mental health issues that modern medicine just doesn't know how to fix. What we are doing is refusing to address the needs of the 99% because 1% have an unsolvable problem.
- t-3 4y ago
  We don't have homeless people sleeping and shitting on sidewalks in Detroit. They sleep in 'bandos. See? More houses - less visible homeless (I'm sure the cold weather helps a bit too).
collegeburner 4y ago
i really don't give a shit. like i know that's not a nice thing to say and it's not what i'm supposed to say but it's how i feel by this point. cities have been so destroyed and filled with literal shit and crime gone up and my friends get assaulted that they used up all their sympathy they got from us. to start force junkies into rehab and go back to institutionalizing ppl who are too crazy to survive. i remember when i was younger ppl would carry food in their cars and hand it out to homeless with hungry signs. some of them would take it and be grateful and that was good. some of them would only want money (obv what that would be for) and so we move on. but it was good we could hand out some food. now most ppl i know aren't comfortable doing that any more. bc a bunch of them have been attacked when they wouldn't give cash. most of them not bad, but having a guy trying to pull open the door or grabbing the car is scary for most of us and really fucking scary for somebody like a small woman. so it's not that people don't still have sympathy for the honest guy down on his luck but there's too many of the bad ones now. the problem is look at low income housing, people will tell you there's not enough. "oh just build more". but low income housing these days is really fucking bad. i have friends who are landlords and tried running low income housing and its awful how bad it gets torn up, how hard it is to get people to pay with rent and eviction moritoriums. and it only gets worse. it cost more for them to run low income housing than blue-collar housing that's still not fancy but has better tenants. there's so much damage and crime around the low-income. remember austin bought that hotel for a homeless shelter and it got trashed to shit in like 2 weeks? same kinda problem. so it ain't a simple problem to fix. and the moritoriums and rent control that cities keep adding only makes more people leave the low income housing business. but all that aside me and a whole bunch of other people are just done. and if the homeless don't leave other people will, look at these cities rn. and once all the rich people are gone and all the middle class people are gone then they're really gonna be in trouble. tbh our problem is we can't punish people who got nothing so laws don't mean nothing to them. like what do u even do to a person shitting in a downtown street? arrest them? put them where? now u spend money keeping them in jail and they will get out back on the street. and relapse rates out of rehab are shit specially since a lot of those people end up there from a court order so that ain't any kind of solution here.
- poulsbohemian 4y ago
  >i really don't give a shit. ^ This right here is the fundamental problem in American politics. Because what you are missing is that society is like a house. If you don't maintain your house, eventually the roof caves in. There are people who believe that they can starve government - cut taxes back to nothing, better if we get rid of all the bureaucrats, better if Congress / state legislatures are stuck not able to do anything, who cares if I vote. That's the equivalent of letting the house fall down around you. Plenty of voters will say they don't care - they think they can somehow protect themselves. But they don't get that sooner or later, chaos reigns and it comes for all of us. Homelessness and depravity like we see in Seattle isn't the root disease - it's a symptom of the disease.
hotpotamus 4y ago
I think the answer usually involves deporting them to Madagascar before settling on a more final solution.
- sva_ 4y ago
  We need a new Australia

Soylent Green, apparently. Edit: I just realized this after writing this comment, but Soylent Green is supposed to take place in 2022. Life imitating art I suppose...

Fatnino 4y ago

Build a new city somewhere just for homeless people to sleep on the sidewalks in. Maybe name it New Detroit

collegeburner 4y ago
lol i've heard a few ppl pitching a "city for the homeless". build a government subsidized city in the most cheap ass land we can find in the country. away from everything else. free housing free food, nothing fancy. have them do jobs processing food or building weapons or whatever else the government needs. there's cops everywhere, you step out of line there's somebody there to taze your ass. imports and exports is controlled so they can't relapse on drugs. oh wait, we got something like that... prison. it does a shit job at fixing homeless ppl.
- mike_d 4y ago
  > it does a shit job at fixing homeless ppl. A large portion of that population have mental health issues that modern medicine just doesn't know how to fix. What we are doing is refusing to address the needs of the 99% because 1% have an unsolvable problem.
t-3 4y ago
We don't have homeless people sleeping and shitting on sidewalks in Detroit. They sleep in 'bandos. See? More houses - less visible homeless (I'm sure the cold weather helps a bit too).

collegeburner 4y ago

i really don't give a shit. like i know that's not a nice thing to say and it's not what i'm supposed to say but it's how i feel by this point. cities have been so destroyed and filled with literal shit and crime gone up and my friends get assaulted that they used up all their sympathy they got from us. to start force junkies into rehab and go back to institutionalizing ppl who are too crazy to survive. i remember when i was younger ppl would carry food in their cars and hand it out to homeless with hungry signs. some of them would take it and be grateful and that was good. some of them would only want money (obv what that would be for) and so we move on. but it was good we could hand out some food. now most ppl i know aren't comfortable doing that any more. bc a bunch of them have been attacked when they wouldn't give cash. most of them not bad, but having a guy trying to pull open the door or grabbing the car is scary for most of us and really fucking scary for somebody like a small woman. so it's not that people don't still have sympathy for the honest guy down on his luck but there's too many of the bad ones now. the problem is look at low income housing, people will tell you there's not enough. "oh just build more". but low income housing these days is really fucking bad. i have friends who are landlords and tried running low income housing and its awful how bad it gets torn up, how hard it is to get people to pay with rent and eviction moritoriums. and it only gets worse. it cost more for them to run low income housing than blue-collar housing that's still not fancy but has better tenants. there's so much damage and crime around the low-income. remember austin bought that hotel for a homeless shelter and it got trashed to shit in like 2 weeks? same kinda problem. so it ain't a simple problem to fix. and the moritoriums and rent control that cities keep adding only makes more people leave the low income housing business. but all that aside me and a whole bunch of other people are just done. and if the homeless don't leave other people will, look at these cities rn. and once all the rich people are gone and all the middle class people are gone then they're really gonna be in trouble. tbh our problem is we can't punish people who got nothing so laws don't mean nothing to them. like what do u even do to a person shitting in a downtown street? arrest them? put them where? now u spend money keeping them in jail and they will get out back on the street. and relapse rates out of rehab are shit specially since a lot of those people end up there from a court order so that ain't any kind of solution here.

poulsbohemian 4y ago
>i really don't give a shit. ^ This right here is the fundamental problem in American politics. Because what you are missing is that society is like a house. If you don't maintain your house, eventually the roof caves in. There are people who believe that they can starve government - cut taxes back to nothing, better if we get rid of all the bureaucrats, better if Congress / state legislatures are stuck not able to do anything, who cares if I vote. That's the equivalent of letting the house fall down around you. Plenty of voters will say they don't care - they think they can somehow protect themselves. But they don't get that sooner or later, chaos reigns and it comes for all of us. Homelessness and depravity like we see in Seattle isn't the root disease - it's a symptom of the disease.

hotpotamus 4y ago

I think the answer usually involves deporting them to Madagascar before settling on a more final solution.

sva_ 4y ago
We need a new Australia