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Yep there shouldn’t be free parking anywhere. Make drivers bear the full cost of their habits. Of course if a business/person wants to provide free parking on

by Swizec 4y ago

Yep there shouldn’t be free parking anywhere. Make drivers bear the full cost of their habits. Of course if a business/person wants to provide free parking on their property, that’s fine. But they shouldn’t be required to by zoning. edit: disabled parking should be free, that’s different

forrestthewoods 4y ago
> Make drivers bear the full cost of their habits. I don’t think public transit riders should be forced to pay the full price of their habit. Nor do I think cities shouldn’t charge taxes and spend the revenue on both roads and yes even curb side parking. It’s quite reasonable for cities to fund numerous modes of transit.
- Spooky23 4y ago
  NYC is experimenting with this now. The NYPD is pissed off and not enforcing turnstile jumping.
- Swizec 4y ago
  I agree in theory. The issue is that some of those modes of transport are more efficient (when done right) and should be encouraged. The funny thing is that you wouldn’t even need to make parking super expensive to act as a huge disincentive. $1/h is enough to change behavior.
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pxmpxm 4y ago
Chicago finally did that couple years back, parking meters in the loop are making minimum wage. It's still crazy to me that I can park a block away from the world trade center for $0 (there's usually open spots around the federal reserve on the weekend), when the real estate there goes for $1500+ per sq ft
- Spooky23 4y ago
  If I have business in lower Manhattan on a Sunday afternoon, why is it more efficient to have me spend 10x the money and 5x the time to use public transportation than to just drive? Why spend the money on rule enforcement? You’d probably expend more money having cops pointlessly drive around writing tickets for meter.
  - pxmpxm 4y ago
    So this actually ends up being net benefit for the businesses in the area - having paid meters means there's actual turnover in the cars parked. Before the meter change in Chicago, it would be next to impossible to find a parking spot in the loop - people were essentially using street parking as free week-at-a-time car storage. At $8/hr or whatever they run now, you can actually find open spots when you need them.

by Swizec 4y ago

forrestthewoods 4y ago

> Make drivers bear the full cost of their habits. I don’t think public transit riders should be forced to pay the full price of their habit. Nor do I think cities shouldn’t charge taxes and spend the revenue on both roads and yes even curb side parking. It’s quite reasonable for cities to fund numerous modes of transit.

Spooky23 4y ago
NYC is experimenting with this now. The NYPD is pissed off and not enforcing turnstile jumping.
Swizec 4y ago
I agree in theory. The issue is that some of those modes of transport are more efficient (when done right) and should be encouraged. The funny thing is that you wouldn’t even need to make parking super expensive to act as a huge disincentive. $1/h is enough to change behavior.
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pxmpxm 4y ago

Chicago finally did that couple years back, parking meters in the loop are making minimum wage. It's still crazy to me that I can park a block away from the world trade center for $0 (there's usually open spots around the federal reserve on the weekend), when the real estate there goes for $1500+ per sq ft

Spooky23 4y ago
If I have business in lower Manhattan on a Sunday afternoon, why is it more efficient to have me spend 10x the money and 5x the time to use public transportation than to just drive? Why spend the money on rule enforcement? You’d probably expend more money having cops pointlessly drive around writing tickets for meter.
- pxmpxm 4y ago
  So this actually ends up being net benefit for the businesses in the area - having paid meters means there's actual turnover in the cars parked. Before the meter change in Chicago, it would be next to impossible to find a parking spot in the loop - people were essentially using street parking as free week-at-a-time car storage. At $8/hr or whatever they run now, you can actually find open spots when you need them.