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Debate: Should children and adults avoid consuming animal to avoid disease?
- omnicognate 4y agoRight at the bottom: "This article series is designed as an Oxford-style debate. As such, participants are required to argue pro and con positions, even when that opinion may differ from their own. The views expressed in this debate do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the participants, The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, or the American Society for Nutrition."
- hammock 4y agoWould we be so generous to allow the same kind of debate on any science-related topic.
- yucky 4y agoOf course not, that could get dangerous!
- throw0101a 4y ago"The Earth is round: yes or no?" :)
- john-radio 4y agoWell, er, it was indeed debated before the question was settled. It was a whole thing actually.
- sha256sum 4y agoAnd the opposing view from the same issue: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/112/4/926/5901948 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/112/4/926/5901948
- klenwell 4y agoI feel like this thread's title is editorialized (and click-bait). It got me. To be fair, maybe it hit a character limit. The actual title: Children and adults should avoid consuming animal products to reduce risk for chronic disease: NO You mean switching to a diet of twinkies won't reduce my risk of chronic disease?
- boredemployee 4y agoIt has not a click-bait intent. It hit the character limit.
- downvotetruth 4y agoSome one is wrong https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1417508112 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1417508112
- boredemployee 4y agoWell, I think that's the beauty of science, right here :)
- wil421 4y agoBoth could be right. The original article states animal products and does not specifically say red meat like your article. It’s like an apples to multiple other fruit comparison. It’s also not just about the animal meat (protein), fats are important as well.
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- malkia 4y agoHow does a diabetic, goes on a vegetarian, or vegan diet? Wouldn't that have more carbs?
- Fargoan 4y agoNot necessarily. No potatoes, bread, pasta would be easy as a vegan
- RappingBoomer 4y agoso? if you do not eat animal products, you have to eat almost all oil or whole grain products...and the oil will wreak havoc on your intestinal tract and the whole grains will raise your blood sugar is you are diabetic or prediabetic
- rabbits77 4y agoThe difference is that a clinically recommended vegeterian diet would be rich in nutritive foods high in fiber. The recommendation wouldn’t just be to not eat meat and, like, eat all the processed sugary junk you want.
- RappingBoomer 4y agoeven so called healthy fiber rich veggie foods have lots of carbs and thus raise blood sugar levels for diabetics and pre-diabetics...cut the carbs to a minimum, eat meat and eggs and cheese and salad and oil, and blood sugar will stay at safe levels, even without medication, at least for prediabetics and most type 2 diabetics
- discordance 4y agoBy eating food that doesn’t contain animal or animal produced content. It is possible to have a high protein vegetarian or vegan diet, although it does require planning and effort.
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- pkdpic 4y ago> To claim that avoidance of animal products is required to prevent chronic disease is not supported by evidence, makes little sense from an evolutionary perspective, and distracts policy makers from common-sense approaches to achieve adequate nutrition. Makes enough sense to me. Ive been eating way less meat and feeling pretty good. But it's hard to muster the motivation to make that last push to no meat. Especially not with the existence of Taco Bell...
- ModernMech 4y agoFortunately, Taco Bell will make anything on their menu vegetarian!
- trashtester 4y agoI identify as an omnivore, if not a carnivore. If you deny me access to fish and meat, maybe we should make all lions switch to a vegan diet too?
- throwaway_au_1 4y agoIs there a point to this comment? No one is denying you anything, and what does a lion's diet have to do with anything?
- inawarminister 4y agopure carnivory diet is delicious, if I have the wealth to do it full time I'd probably switch. Alas, I can only afford maybe 2 or 3 days before fasting and return back to grain-heavy diet.
- RappingBoomer 4y agothe foodies gonna be all over this one...
- Fargoan 4y agoSuch as yourself?
- RappingBoomer 4y agoa science oriented article flagged on HN for...ideological reasons?
- roboticmind 4y agoThis is not a scientific study in the slightest, yet the abstract and title are presented as such. That is why it was flagged > This article series is designed as an Oxford-style debate. As such, participants are required to argue pro and con positions, even when that opinion may differ from their own. The views expressed in this debate do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the participants, The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, or the American Society for Nutrition.
- boredemployee 4y ago>> This is not a scientific study in the slightest, yet the abstract and title are presented as such. That is why it was flagged Still makes no sense?
- boredemployee 4y agoCan someone explain why was it flagged? Disclaimer: If this site could enlarge the character number in the "title" field, the full title would be there.
- roboticmind 4y agoThe title comes across kind of like click bait, and it presents itself as a study or review when it isn't > This article series is designed as an Oxford-style debate. As such, participants are required to argue pro and con positions, even when that opinion may differ from their own. The views expressed in this debate do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the participants, The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, or the American Society for Nutrition.
- boredemployee 4y ago"kinda of like" Since it's clearly described in the text exactly what the topic is about, is it not enough to read to understand what it is about? And it has not a click-bait intent. It hit the character limit.
- roboticmind 4y agoYou have to read further down to know that it was someone assigned to argue this point of view - not that it was a study or review where someone looked at research and came to that conclusion. Reading the abstract and title did not give me the impression that someone was assigned to make that argument. Those are very different
- boredemployee 4y agoBut isn't the intention of posting something here for people to read?
- roboticmind 4y agoAn abstract is supposed to be a summary. Many people will read only an abstract since they think they are just getting a shorter version of something and stop there
- rascul 4y agoAnimals are delicious.