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Borland doesn't enough credit (or blame, depending on your opinion about C++) for popularizing C++. Turbo C++ was the first mainstream C++ compiler. All that ex

Borland doesn't enough credit (or blame, depending on your opinion about C++) for popularizing C++. Turbo C++ was the first mainstream C++ compiler. All that existed before was Cfront, Stroustrup's pre-compiler which translated C++ to C. C++ wasn't a popular language until Borland released Turbo C++. Because of the IDE wars of the 1990's, Microsoft answered with Visual C++, and the rest is history. [1] https://cplusplus.com/info/history/ https://cplusplus.com/info/history/

Iwan-Zotow 4y ago
Zortech C++ was first
- petilon 4y ago
  That wasn't a mainstream compiler, and certainly wasn't the reason for Microsoft responding with Visual C++, or C++ becoming popular.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  It might have been, yet it was nowhere to be found on most European countries. It was Borland vs Microsoft all over the place, then we got Watcom and MetaWare High as well. When I finally started to see Zortech on sale, it was after the Symantec acquisition where they made an agreement with Microsoft to also ship MFC. So why not get the real deal directly from Microsoft.
- bluedino 4y ago
  Walter Bright (the author) posts here from time to time, I swear he made a comment before with the background of each of the major C++ compilers
  - Iwan-Zotow 4y ago
    Yeah, the D guy
WantonQuantum 4y ago
For a brief period of time, Visual J++ was the best Java IDE around.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Its soul lives on C#, even P/Invoke was already in J++.
bboreham 4y ago
> All that existed before was Cfront, And G++, GNU C++. I worked on it a little in 1989. > Stroustrup's pre-compiler Cfront was a compiler. It output C as object code so it could more easily target different processor architectures, but was no less of a compiler for that.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  GNU compilers were largely ignored until Sun made the first step, followed by other UNIX vendors, to split UNIX worloads into user and developer packages. Sundenly many UNIX customers decided to improve GCC instead of paying UNIX developer licenses.
  - bboreham 4y ago
    I recall X11R3 went so much faster compiled with gcc that everyone _had_ to get a copy. That was on 68000 though; I think gcc wasn’t so good on RISCs with branch delay slots for a long time.

Iwan-Zotow 4y ago

Zortech C++ was first

petilon 4y ago
That wasn't a mainstream compiler, and certainly wasn't the reason for Microsoft responding with Visual C++, or C++ becoming popular.
pjmlp 4y ago
It might have been, yet it was nowhere to be found on most European countries. It was Borland vs Microsoft all over the place, then we got Watcom and MetaWare High as well. When I finally started to see Zortech on sale, it was after the Symantec acquisition where they made an agreement with Microsoft to also ship MFC. So why not get the real deal directly from Microsoft.
bluedino 4y ago
Walter Bright (the author) posts here from time to time, I swear he made a comment before with the background of each of the major C++ compilers
- Iwan-Zotow 4y ago
  Yeah, the D guy

WantonQuantum 4y ago

For a brief period of time, Visual J++ was the best Java IDE around.

pjmlp 4y ago
Its soul lives on C#, even P/Invoke was already in J++.

bboreham 4y ago

> All that existed before was Cfront, And G++, GNU C++. I worked on it a little in 1989. > Stroustrup's pre-compiler Cfront was a compiler. It output C as object code so it could more easily target different processor architectures, but was no less of a compiler for that.

pjmlp 4y ago
GNU compilers were largely ignored until Sun made the first step, followed by other UNIX vendors, to split UNIX worloads into user and developer packages. Sundenly many UNIX customers decided to improve GCC instead of paying UNIX developer licenses.
- bboreham 4y ago
  I recall X11R3 went so much faster compiled with gcc that everyone _had_ to get a copy. That was on 68000 though; I think gcc wasn’t so good on RISCs with branch delay slots for a long time.