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If we’re listing externalities let’s at least be honest: - Lost productivity or quality of life for rider. If we suddenly double the amount of commute time so

If we’re listing externalities let’s at least be honest: - Lost productivity or quality of life for rider. If we suddenly double the amount of commute time someone experiences, how do you think that will impact their personal life? Their professional life? Take it a step further and look at how the misery cascades: Imagine that person is a neurosurgeon and we doubled their morning commute so they now have to wake up an hour earlier. Will they be operating at their highest level? I understand that the “anti-car” movement is probably well intentioned, but you know what they say about the road to hell…

jjj123 4y ago
Where in my comment did it say no one should drive to work, or that everyone should make choices the way I do? We live in a fucked up system, do what you have to do. I have the luxury of being able to choose how I get around even if it means taking a little extra time, I get that not everyone has that luxury.
sporkland 4y ago
I understand the spirit of what you're saying, but productivity and quality of life is a many faceted debate. There are a ton of factors in here: 1. If everyone drives the neighborhoods are spread out/less dense and filled with loud, dangerous, locally air polluting cars and their tires. 2. Cars are stressful to drive and lead to road rage. 3. Can't work while you drive a car, but can on trains and some subways. But at least can read, entertain yourself. I agree with you and OP that this all comes at a higher commute time cost, but concluding it's open and shut on quality of life. I personally think the anti-car movement should be focused on cities where we should reduce traffic within city cores and invest in shared electric bikes/various forms of non-car transit.
CleaveIt2Beaver 4y ago
> you know what they say about the road to hell… ...you're forced to use mass transit!
ouid 4y ago
>lost productivity I've never been able to get any work done in the car.
- bequanna 4y ago
  The typical public transit commute time in the US is 2x the time it would take via car.
  - ouid 4y ago
    ok, but I can do work on the. us

jjj123 4y ago

Where in my comment did it say no one should drive to work, or that everyone should make choices the way I do? We live in a fucked up system, do what you have to do. I have the luxury of being able to choose how I get around even if it means taking a little extra time, I get that not everyone has that luxury.

sporkland 4y ago

I understand the spirit of what you're saying, but productivity and quality of life is a many faceted debate. There are a ton of factors in here: 1. If everyone drives the neighborhoods are spread out/less dense and filled with loud, dangerous, locally air polluting cars and their tires. 2. Cars are stressful to drive and lead to road rage. 3. Can't work while you drive a car, but can on trains and some subways. But at least can read, entertain yourself. I agree with you and OP that this all comes at a higher commute time cost, but concluding it's open and shut on quality of life. I personally think the anti-car movement should be focused on cities where we should reduce traffic within city cores and invest in shared electric bikes/various forms of non-car transit.

CleaveIt2Beaver 4y ago

> you know what they say about the road to hell… ...you're forced to use mass transit!

ouid 4y ago

>lost productivity I've never been able to get any work done in the car.

bequanna 4y ago
The typical public transit commute time in the US is 2x the time it would take via car.
- ouid 4y ago
  ok, but I can do work on the. us