Yes exactly, the point I guess I was arguing with is how you define 'a certain amount' of freedom. Freedom is clearly not absolute in the real world so why shou

Yes exactly, the point I guess I was arguing with is how you define 'a certain amount' of freedom. Freedom is clearly not absolute in the real world so why should it be absolute in the digital one? Particularly when the overwhelming majority of 'normal' people do not care about the basics of digital hygiene and security. There was a time I had a very Stallman view on software. Now I think my views are that having closed source devices, where security is managed by 'trusted' third parties, is absolutely fine for people who don't care. However, there should always be a choice for those who do want to exercise their freedom, and typically those who care about their digital freedoms will be technical enough to manage their devices responsibly. Clearly though in the mobile market in particular we're very far away from realising this.