> I mean people don’t put up with those costs and complexity for no reason. Consider the cause and effect here. You live far from everything because cars make

> I mean people don’t put up with those costs and complexity for no reason. Consider the cause and effect here. You live far from everything because cars make that possible. The world after cars became designed for cars. There are advantages and disadvantages to car society but to participate at all as a baseline member of society you need a car. Part of owning a car is just recovering what functionality you would have in a world that wasn't designed for cars.