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> Your comment history is fascinating. Can we refrain from the reddit-esque creepy "gotcha" of digging through post history of another user instead of addressi

by kory 4y ago

> Your comment history is fascinating. Can we refrain from the reddit-esque creepy "gotcha" of digging through post history of another user instead of addressing the argument at hand? > You posted yourself about the ridiculous subsidies that US suburbia gets so you clearly understand that the way Americans live in the suburbs is completely out of touch with how much it really costs Yep. > and very few people if any would actually choose suburbia if they had to bear those costs. I don't agree. It's arguable we do already bear much of these costs, as a lot of infrastructure is paid for through development fees (higher housing prices) or through federal & state grants (which we all pay for). I understand cities subsidize suburban areas to some extent, but that's largely from business tax that, again, we all pay for in higher prices. > Americans are “choosing this” Look at the pandemic trends, that haven't really reversed since. People left cities and suburban / rural property values shot up compared to big city real estate. > oning laws are preventing better alternatives from being created No, they're keeping nice neighborhoods nice low density neighborhoods. Like the inhabitants of those neighborhoods want them to be. > Whenever I have Americans over visiting Brussels Something tells me "Americans who want to visit Brussels" has a strong pro-density sampling bias. You're also seeing the initial reaction and not the long term reaction. > His mind was blown But would he really live there, or was he just surprised by the different infrastructure? For clarity, I live right in the middle in one of the most walkable places in the US. In the past, I’ve lived in suburban and rural areas. I understand the pro's of walkability, but I also understand suburbanites and rural folks don't want those pros because of the cons that come with them.

scrollaway 4y ago
> Can we refrain from No, own your opinions. You posted something where you literally had to give the disclaimer "This isn't sarcasm", because it reeked of sarcasm. I went through your post history to understand you and your point better. This isn't a fucking gotcha, it's a show of faith and compassion. > No, they're keeping nice neighborhoods nice low density neighborhoods Not just zoning laws in your suburbia, zoning laws in the city itself. And no they're not; I'm starting to get the feeling you're not arguing in good faith. > But would he really live there I'm helping him organize his move later this year. Does that answer your question?
- kory 4y ago
  > This isn't a fucking gotcha, it's a show of faith and compassion. It certainly comes across that way, from the tone of your comments. > Not just zoning laws in your suburbia, zoning laws in the city itself. Yeah, I live in one of those single family walkable city neighborhoods. It’s a nice low density neighborhood. We don’t want it changed, but density advocates that don’t live here have “selected” us for an up-zone campaign. This isn’t a bad faith argument at all… This seems to be the serious lapse in understanding between pro density and pro single family zoning folks. I’m super glad you were able to help someone move to a walkable area as well! I’m very happy someone discovered they wanted such a lifestyle over sprawl. That said, the vast majority in NA still prefer SF zoning and sprawl. I’m not convinced that will ever change unless sprawl becomes unimaginably expensive.
  - scrollaway 4y ago
    > It certainly comes across that way, from the tone of your comments. There's no ill intent in my comments, you might be choosing to read them as hostile. I'm just giving you some perspective and examples of real life experience. Also you wanted to understand the downvotes, which is also why I chose to reply.
    - kory 4y ago
      > I'm just giving you some perspective and examples of real life experience Frankly, this comes across as a little bit condescending. Another example, a phrase like this from your first response: > And honestly, most of y’all don’t know any better Who are "y'all"? Why don't we know any better? This comes across as hostile, like you're coming at this from the perspective of "I'm definitely right and this guy is full of it." I don't believe that's true, but that's how it read to me. Perhaps it's just the challenge of no discernible tone in text. > Also you wanted to understand the downvotes, which is also why I chose to reply I still don't quite understand. Downvote != agree, and my comment wasn't rude or disrespectful. It's just not the majority opinion here.
    - BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
      >” There's no ill intent in my comments, you might be choosing to read them as hostile.” I’m not the person you’re arguing with and I sensed hostility. At the very least contentiousness.
bowsamic 4y ago
> Can we refrain from the reddit-esque creepy "gotcha" of digging through post history of another user instead of addressing the argument at hand? That's not against etiquette here, it's totally reasonable due diligence

by kory 4y ago

scrollaway 4y ago

> Can we refrain from No, own your opinions. You posted something where you literally had to give the disclaimer "This isn't sarcasm", because it reeked of sarcasm. I went through your post history to understand you and your point better. This isn't a fucking gotcha, it's a show of faith and compassion. > No, they're keeping nice neighborhoods nice low density neighborhoods Not just zoning laws in your suburbia, zoning laws in the city itself. And no they're not; I'm starting to get the feeling you're not arguing in good faith. > But would he really live there I'm helping him organize his move later this year. Does that answer your question?

kory 4y ago
> This isn't a fucking gotcha, it's a show of faith and compassion. It certainly comes across that way, from the tone of your comments. > Not just zoning laws in your suburbia, zoning laws in the city itself. Yeah, I live in one of those single family walkable city neighborhoods. It’s a nice low density neighborhood. We don’t want it changed, but density advocates that don’t live here have “selected” us for an up-zone campaign. This isn’t a bad faith argument at all… This seems to be the serious lapse in understanding between pro density and pro single family zoning folks. I’m super glad you were able to help someone move to a walkable area as well! I’m very happy someone discovered they wanted such a lifestyle over sprawl. That said, the vast majority in NA still prefer SF zoning and sprawl. I’m not convinced that will ever change unless sprawl becomes unimaginably expensive.
- scrollaway 4y ago
  > It certainly comes across that way, from the tone of your comments. There's no ill intent in my comments, you might be choosing to read them as hostile. I'm just giving you some perspective and examples of real life experience. Also you wanted to understand the downvotes, which is also why I chose to reply.
  - kory 4y ago
    > I'm just giving you some perspective and examples of real life experience Frankly, this comes across as a little bit condescending. Another example, a phrase like this from your first response: > And honestly, most of y’all don’t know any better Who are "y'all"? Why don't we know any better? This comes across as hostile, like you're coming at this from the perspective of "I'm definitely right and this guy is full of it." I don't believe that's true, but that's how it read to me. Perhaps it's just the challenge of no discernible tone in text. > Also you wanted to understand the downvotes, which is also why I chose to reply I still don't quite understand. Downvote != agree, and my comment wasn't rude or disrespectful. It's just not the majority opinion here.
  - BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
    >” There's no ill intent in my comments, you might be choosing to read them as hostile.” I’m not the person you’re arguing with and I sensed hostility. At the very least contentiousness.

bowsamic 4y ago

> Can we refrain from the reddit-esque creepy "gotcha" of digging through post history of another user instead of addressing the argument at hand? That's not against etiquette here, it's totally reasonable due diligence