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Why would it be alarming. Wikipedia is a fine entry into any topic. Seeing PragerU influencing the court would be alarming.

bacchusracine 4y ago
Sir, I'm afraid your bias is showing...
- Tostino 4y ago
  Pretending PreagerU is anything but blatant propaganda is silly.
  - theduder99 4y ago
  - Mountain_Skies 4y ago
    Pretending Wikipedia isn't also, is silly. This week's nonsense with the definition of 'recession' is proof enough of that. If you want to argue magnitude, you've already conceded what Wikipedia is (and I don't deny PragerU is what you claim it is).
    - cmeacham98 4y ago
      Wikipedia is not perfectly unbiased, but if you honestly believe it is even comparable to PragerU you should seriously talk to someone about your biases and perception of the world. There are left-wing equivalents of PragerU (ex: the Gravel Institute) that are just as far away from Wikipedia as PragerU is.
      - phpisthebest 4y ago
        I think it depends on the topic and section of wikipedia. If you get into the political area's of wikipeda, I think the bias of Wikipedia is pretty clear polar to that of PragerU. If you stick to the pure hard sciences (physics as an example) and non-controversial events (like an earthquake) then sure they are unbiased
        cmeacham98 4y ago
        Can you give an example of a wikipedia page that you think shows bias on the same level as PragerU?
        hither_shores 4y ago
        Browse through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_neutral_point_of_view_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_neutral_poi... and you'll find plenty. For example: > Mohammed Zakir (also known as Meyra) was an Ethiopian Oromo nationalist. Regarded as "legendary Oromo hero", he is noted for his high contribution to keep the lights of Oromo nationalism shining after the martyrdom of his two hero colleagues called Elemo Qiltu and Ahmad Taqi ... the Oromos would never forget this early exemplary hero. And above all, history will always remember Meyra and his heroism.
        cmeacham98 4y ago
        If you go to the page in question (available here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Zakir_Meyra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Zakir_Meyra) it has not one but two warnings at the top of the page about the content within. Is this not an example of Wikipedia's process working as intended?
        hither_shores 4y ago
        There's been an NPOV warning on that page since 2011, and the content has remained substantially the same since 2010. So no, I don't think it is.
        cmeacham98 4y ago
        Wikipedia runs off of community contributions. This person seems to be extremely obscure, as searching the full name 'Mohammed Zakir Meyra' I found this Wikipedia article, websites that scrape Wikipedia and post its contents, and garbage SEO-optimized websites that had nothing to do with the person. I gave up trying to find anything that wasn't SEO garbage or a Wikipedia scrape on page 5 of the search results. At least in the English speaking world, this person seems to be a nobody and nobody seems to care enough to fix this article. Honestly, someone that knows how the process works on Wikipedia more than me should probably submit it for deletion, as this (at least in my opinion) shouldn't even meet Wikipedia's notability standards.
      - MichaelCollins 4y ago
        The method of this study was to deliberately construct a bias on wikipedia, which the researchers were able to successfully pull off with measurable effect.
  - bacchusracine 4y ago
    As the other poster pointed out, it's the pretense that Wikipedia is in any way shape or form neutral that shows the bias.
helsinkiandrew 4y ago
> Wikipedia is a fine entry into any topic It isn't, that's the point of the study - not all court decisions are on wikipedia and those that are, are getting cited more. Judges, Lawyers, Clerks have access to the original decisions and court transcripts in electronic form going back decades and longer. If they're relying on whats on wikipedia - they're either doing poor research or are too lazy to write their own summations.
- zinekeller 4y ago
  ... and then rely on LexisNexis et al.? Unfortunately it seems that (US) courts don't really have a good collation of cases (as opposed to collated laws which exists as the US Code).
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bacchusracine 4y ago

Sir, I'm afraid your bias is showing...

Tostino 4y ago
Pretending PreagerU is anything but blatant propaganda is silly.
- theduder99 4y ago
- Mountain_Skies 4y ago
  Pretending Wikipedia isn't also, is silly. This week's nonsense with the definition of 'recession' is proof enough of that. If you want to argue magnitude, you've already conceded what Wikipedia is (and I don't deny PragerU is what you claim it is).
  - cmeacham98 4y ago
    Wikipedia is not perfectly unbiased, but if you honestly believe it is even comparable to PragerU you should seriously talk to someone about your biases and perception of the world. There are left-wing equivalents of PragerU (ex: the Gravel Institute) that are just as far away from Wikipedia as PragerU is.
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      I think it depends on the topic and section of wikipedia. If you get into the political area's of wikipeda, I think the bias of Wikipedia is pretty clear polar to that of PragerU. If you stick to the pure hard sciences (physics as an example) and non-controversial events (like an earthquake) then sure they are unbiased
      - cmeacham98 4y ago
        Can you give an example of a wikipedia page that you think shows bias on the same level as PragerU?
        hither_shores 4y ago
        Browse through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_neutral_point_of_view_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_neutral_poi... and you'll find plenty. For example: > Mohammed Zakir (also known as Meyra) was an Ethiopian Oromo nationalist. Regarded as "legendary Oromo hero", he is noted for his high contribution to keep the lights of Oromo nationalism shining after the martyrdom of his two hero colleagues called Elemo Qiltu and Ahmad Taqi ... the Oromos would never forget this early exemplary hero. And above all, history will always remember Meyra and his heroism.
        cmeacham98 4y ago
        If you go to the page in question (available here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Zakir_Meyra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Zakir_Meyra) it has not one but two warnings at the top of the page about the content within. Is this not an example of Wikipedia's process working as intended?
        hither_shores 4y ago
        There's been an NPOV warning on that page since 2011, and the content has remained substantially the same since 2010. So no, I don't think it is.
        cmeacham98 4y ago
        Wikipedia runs off of community contributions. This person seems to be extremely obscure, as searching the full name 'Mohammed Zakir Meyra' I found this Wikipedia article, websites that scrape Wikipedia and post its contents, and garbage SEO-optimized websites that had nothing to do with the person. I gave up trying to find anything that wasn't SEO garbage or a Wikipedia scrape on page 5 of the search results. At least in the English speaking world, this person seems to be a nobody and nobody seems to care enough to fix this article. Honestly, someone that knows how the process works on Wikipedia more than me should probably submit it for deletion, as this (at least in my opinion) shouldn't even meet Wikipedia's notability standards.
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      The method of this study was to deliberately construct a bias on wikipedia, which the researchers were able to successfully pull off with measurable effect.
- bacchusracine 4y ago
  As the other poster pointed out, it's the pretense that Wikipedia is in any way shape or form neutral that shows the bias.

helsinkiandrew 4y ago

> Wikipedia is a fine entry into any topic It isn't, that's the point of the study - not all court decisions are on wikipedia and those that are, are getting cited more. Judges, Lawyers, Clerks have access to the original decisions and court transcripts in electronic form going back decades and longer. If they're relying on whats on wikipedia - they're either doing poor research or are too lazy to write their own summations.

zinekeller 4y ago
... and then rely on LexisNexis et al.? Unfortunately it seems that (US) courts don't really have a good collation of cases (as opposed to collated laws which exists as the US Code).

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