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Again, imagine living in UK in 1943 and criticizing the allied forces. It’s the exact same situation, except now Russians are the nazis.

by trasz 4y ago

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
It's a bit (read 'a lot') more complicated than that. You can't compare WW2 1943 UK/Europe to present day no matter how you spin it. There's valid criticism in how the EU and NATO handled not just the relationship with Russia and Ukraine, but many other issues from energy, mass immigration, COVID, fiscal policies to Brexit. There's nothing to gain for us by not self reflecting on the mistakes of our political leaders who are conveniently trying to push Russia as the scapegoat for everything wrong today, many issues they set up, before Russia even invaded. So yeah, 'Russia evil' and all that, but we should still keep our political leaders accountable for their mistakes and not let them get away with everything just because 'EU/NATO good' and if you point out issues then you're automatically a Putin shill like in WW2/cold war logic.
- trasz 4y ago
  But of course - NATO has provoked Russia by allowing it to invade Crimea unpunished. If those HIMARS launchers got to Ukraine in 2014, we wouldn’t have the current war, and also probably wouldn’t have problems with gas supply, because Russia would already be pacified. Still, this isn’t a good moment to focus on criticizing NATO where there’s a vastly greater evil to defend against. And I definitely can compare this to Europe in 1943 - it’s the same ideology, forcing people to do the same kind of genocide, for the same reasons. Sure, Russians nazis only killed few dozen thousand people so far, but we know well what they intend to do - they are openly saying the purpose of the invasion is to destroy the Ukrainian nation. (Also note how ironic it is - Russia, which is neither a real nation not a proper state, is trying to destroy a vastly superior Ukraine.)

Again, imagine living in UK in 1943 and criticizing the allied forces. It’s the exact same situation, except now Russians are the nazis.

by trasz 4y ago

Again, imagine living in UK in 1943 and criticizing the allied forces. It’s the exact same situation, except now Russians are the nazis.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

It's a bit (read 'a lot') more complicated than that. You can't compare WW2 1943 UK/Europe to present day no matter how you spin it. There's valid criticism in how the EU and NATO handled not just the relationship with Russia and Ukraine, but many other issues from energy, mass immigration, COVID, fiscal policies to Brexit. There's nothing to gain for us by not self reflecting on the mistakes of our political leaders who are conveniently trying to push Russia as the scapegoat for everything wrong today, many issues they set up, before Russia even invaded. So yeah, 'Russia evil' and all that, but we should still keep our political leaders accountable for their mistakes and not let them get away with everything just because 'EU/NATO good' and if you point out issues then you're automatically a Putin shill like in WW2/cold war logic.

trasz 4y ago
But of course - NATO has provoked Russia by allowing it to invade Crimea unpunished. If those HIMARS launchers got to Ukraine in 2014, we wouldn’t have the current war, and also probably wouldn’t have problems with gas supply, because Russia would already be pacified. Still, this isn’t a good moment to focus on criticizing NATO where there’s a vastly greater evil to defend against. And I definitely can compare this to Europe in 1943 - it’s the same ideology, forcing people to do the same kind of genocide, for the same reasons. Sure, Russians nazis only killed few dozen thousand people so far, but we know well what they intend to do - they are openly saying the purpose of the invasion is to destroy the Ukrainian nation. (Also note how ironic it is - Russia, which is neither a real nation not a proper state, is trying to destroy a vastly superior Ukraine.)