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AWS breaking changes

57 points by kiyanwang 4y ago

mikece 4y ago
Doesn't include .NET Core 3.1 end of life which is set to happen later this year. We've been upgrading all of our Lambdas and APIs to .NET 6 to be ready for this.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  3.1 will continue to work you just won’t be able to create new lambdas with it. Similar to what they do with node or did with .net 2.1.
  - pseudoramble 4y ago
    I don't use AWS but I was curious about this. Seems like they wouldn't pull the rug out from under people like this quite that easily. That being said, worth getting the upgrade done as soon as possible for GP's reason and others.
shaicoleman 4y ago
It's incredible how long AWS supported EC2 Classic. It's a foundational networking service, and there is probably a ton of technical debt involved in maintaining it. * Aug/2009 - VPC announced * Dec/2013 - EC2 Classic blocked for new customers * Jul/2021 - EC2 Classic officially deprecated * Aug/2022 - EC2 Classic retired
- daenz 4y ago
  It's probably going to break something when they clean up the legacy stuff too. When you keep around something for that long while building something new, the roots tend to grow into each other.
- imperialdrive 4y ago
  Pretty legit of them to do.
- zerocrates 4y ago
  Would love to see the numbers which they surely had showing how many instances were still running on Classic over the years. The superior pricing of new instance types that needed to be on VPC was probably as big a factor as anything in pushing people off, but there must have been lots of servers just clicking away with no one really paying attention to the billing.
acconrad 4y ago
Are there any new players in this space? Between AWS, Azure, and Google Cloud, it seems like any attempt at cloud computing infrastructure gets eaten up and you're forced into these price hikes from this triopoly
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  This says it aims to track price changes, but I don't see any actually mentioned. I'm extremely wary of locking into these companies, and there are others - Linode, Vultr, Digital Ocean to name a few that give them some competition at least.
  - snotrockets 4y ago
    Unlike that other hyperscaler, AWS is very aware that raising prices erodes customer trust faster than deprecating the new chat app they forced on you. I am certain they’re never going to do that. As for the other companies you mention, they don’t give the hyperscalers any serious competition. Even some of the (so called) hyperscalers are unable to compete with the other hyperscalers.
    - hotpotamus 4y ago
      From my perspective, they're all hyperscale for whatever that's worth. It seems like we may be hitting the end of Moore's law (actually more or less on schedule) and so I wonder how these cloud companies would keep pushing costs down and lowering or even keeping prices flat. If power and engineering and hardware costs keep increasing, then at some point something has to give, though I suppose Amazon does have large margins they could potentially erode first. I miss just working on infrastructure and not having to try and guess at an economic analysis of your suppliers to try and keep from getting crushed like an unnoticed insect on the boot of one of these companies, but perhaps it was never that simple - I was just young and inexperienced.
      - snotrockets 4y ago
        It used to be that other people used to manage the “business” aspects of the job. Cloud forces that management down level.
js4ever 4y ago
This very short list totally explain why AWS is leading in the cloud and why google will never be able to catch up. AWS is providing services without breaking changes for more than a decade most of the time. Google on the other side is deprecating everything faster than your team can refactor your infra & code.

57 points by kiyanwang 4y ago

Doesn't include .NET Core 3.1 end of life which is set to happen later this year. We've been upgrading all of our Lambdas and APIs to .NET 6 to be ready for this.

philliphaydon 4y ago
3.1 will continue to work you just won’t be able to create new lambdas with it. Similar to what they do with node or did with .net 2.1.
- pseudoramble 4y ago
  I don't use AWS but I was curious about this. Seems like they wouldn't pull the rug out from under people like this quite that easily. That being said, worth getting the upgrade done as soon as possible for GP's reason and others.

shaicoleman 4y ago

It's incredible how long AWS supported EC2 Classic. It's a foundational networking service, and there is probably a ton of technical debt involved in maintaining it. * Aug/2009 - VPC announced * Dec/2013 - EC2 Classic blocked for new customers * Jul/2021 - EC2 Classic officially deprecated * Aug/2022 - EC2 Classic retired

daenz 4y ago
It's probably going to break something when they clean up the legacy stuff too. When you keep around something for that long while building something new, the roots tend to grow into each other.
imperialdrive 4y ago
Pretty legit of them to do.
zerocrates 4y ago
Would love to see the numbers which they surely had showing how many instances were still running on Classic over the years. The superior pricing of new instance types that needed to be on VPC was probably as big a factor as anything in pushing people off, but there must have been lots of servers just clicking away with no one really paying attention to the billing.

acconrad 4y ago

Are there any new players in this space? Between AWS, Azure, and Google Cloud, it seems like any attempt at cloud computing infrastructure gets eaten up and you're forced into these price hikes from this triopoly

hotpotamus 4y ago
This says it aims to track price changes, but I don't see any actually mentioned. I'm extremely wary of locking into these companies, and there are others - Linode, Vultr, Digital Ocean to name a few that give them some competition at least.
- snotrockets 4y ago
  Unlike that other hyperscaler, AWS is very aware that raising prices erodes customer trust faster than deprecating the new chat app they forced on you. I am certain they’re never going to do that. As for the other companies you mention, they don’t give the hyperscalers any serious competition. Even some of the (so called) hyperscalers are unable to compete with the other hyperscalers.
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    From my perspective, they're all hyperscale for whatever that's worth. It seems like we may be hitting the end of Moore's law (actually more or less on schedule) and so I wonder how these cloud companies would keep pushing costs down and lowering or even keeping prices flat. If power and engineering and hardware costs keep increasing, then at some point something has to give, though I suppose Amazon does have large margins they could potentially erode first. I miss just working on infrastructure and not having to try and guess at an economic analysis of your suppliers to try and keep from getting crushed like an unnoticed insect on the boot of one of these companies, but perhaps it was never that simple - I was just young and inexperienced.
    - snotrockets 4y ago
      It used to be that other people used to manage the “business” aspects of the job. Cloud forces that management down level.

js4ever 4y ago

This very short list totally explain why AWS is leading in the cloud and why google will never be able to catch up. AWS is providing services without breaking changes for more than a decade most of the time. Google on the other side is deprecating everything faster than your team can refactor your infra & code.