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I do believe there are forces looking to cause a worldwide famine, but this particular case is being presented to us as a red herring.

flembat 4y ago
- j-pb 4y ago
  No need to put sustainable in quotes. Livestock farming is ruining the soil, the water, a major producer of CO2, the main producer of Methane, and the root cause for the burning of the rainforest.
  - eurasiantiger 4y ago
    Pretty sure we would still be burning rain forests to plant oil palms.
    - j-pb 4y ago
      68% is Burnt for pastures for Cattle Farming. 28% is Burnt for Agriculture, of which 60% is for soybeans, of which 77% are shipped overseas for (you guessed it) livestock feed. Palm Oil plants are only 12% of those 28%. That means at least 80% is burned for Livestock or livestock feed. Since part of the palm oil and other plant produce is also used for livestock feed that number probably closer to 85%. See: https://www.fern.org/fileadmin/uploads/fern/Documents/Fern%20CAP%20FULL%20REPORT%20FINAL.pdf https://www.fern.org/fileadmin/uploads/fern/Documents/Fern%2...
      - eurasiantiger 4y ago
        Guess it’s time to start being more aggressive with anti-meat messaging. A major issue with the less-meat-more-veggies idea is glyphosate, though, as produce treated with it is not vegan: glyphosate mixtures typically contain tallow from animal fat.
  - blitzar 4y ago
    > Livestock farming is ruining the soil Crop farming is ruining the soil way faster than grazing livestock. Livestock grazing the land is a lot closer to how the land was before we came along than a rainforest.
    - j-pb 4y ago
      > Crop farming is ruining the soil way faster than grazing livestock. But what is all that crop used for? Livestock. > Livestock grazing the land is a lot closer to how the land was before we came along than a rainforest. Freudian slip?
ben_w 4y ago
I’m expecting more famines from (government level) incompetence than from malice (of all sources combined) in this regard.
- codefreeordie 4y ago
  Most of the government level famine work is not incompetence. It is part of the faminites'program.
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codefreeordie 4y ago
- ben_w 4y ago
  You're charging at windmills when there's a perfectly good actual dragon snoozing on the next hilltop.
pvaldes 4y ago
Having this stripe of wild prairie will fight against famine, in fact. And will help farmers. This are the places where thousands of species of pollinators can breed and multiply. The same that will play a main role in crop production in all the farms around in a radius of several Km Honey bees are good pollinators. The much smaller wild bees aren't just good, they are fantastic pollinators of lots of crops that honey bees ignore

flembat 4y ago

j-pb 4y ago
No need to put sustainable in quotes. Livestock farming is ruining the soil, the water, a major producer of CO2, the main producer of Methane, and the root cause for the burning of the rainforest.
- eurasiantiger 4y ago
  Pretty sure we would still be burning rain forests to plant oil palms.
  - j-pb 4y ago
    68% is Burnt for pastures for Cattle Farming. 28% is Burnt for Agriculture, of which 60% is for soybeans, of which 77% are shipped overseas for (you guessed it) livestock feed. Palm Oil plants are only 12% of those 28%. That means at least 80% is burned for Livestock or livestock feed. Since part of the palm oil and other plant produce is also used for livestock feed that number probably closer to 85%. See: https://www.fern.org/fileadmin/uploads/fern/Documents/Fern%20CAP%20FULL%20REPORT%20FINAL.pdf https://www.fern.org/fileadmin/uploads/fern/Documents/Fern%2...
    - eurasiantiger 4y ago
      Guess it’s time to start being more aggressive with anti-meat messaging. A major issue with the less-meat-more-veggies idea is glyphosate, though, as produce treated with it is not vegan: glyphosate mixtures typically contain tallow from animal fat.
- blitzar 4y ago
  > Livestock farming is ruining the soil Crop farming is ruining the soil way faster than grazing livestock. Livestock grazing the land is a lot closer to how the land was before we came along than a rainforest.
  - j-pb 4y ago
    > Crop farming is ruining the soil way faster than grazing livestock. But what is all that crop used for? Livestock. > Livestock grazing the land is a lot closer to how the land was before we came along than a rainforest. Freudian slip?

ben_w 4y ago

I’m expecting more famines from (government level) incompetence than from malice (of all sources combined) in this regard.

codefreeordie 4y ago
Most of the government level famine work is not incompetence. It is part of the faminites'program.
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codefreeordie 4y ago

ben_w 4y ago
You're charging at windmills when there's a perfectly good actual dragon snoozing on the next hilltop.

pvaldes 4y ago

Having this stripe of wild prairie will fight against famine, in fact. And will help farmers. This are the places where thousands of species of pollinators can breed and multiply. The same that will play a main role in crop production in all the farms around in a radius of several Km Honey bees are good pollinators. The much smaller wild bees aren't just good, they are fantastic pollinators of lots of crops that honey bees ignore