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Population control probably starts to come into it. I think the notion that we can just continue to pile on people on the planet is increasingly divorced from r

Population control probably starts to come into it. I think the notion that we can just continue to pile on people on the planet is increasingly divorced from reality.

smt88 4y ago
> Population control probably starts to come into it. It doesn't. The population we would "control" (mostly poor people in developing countries) contribute tiny amounts to climate change. The vast majority of non-industrial emissions are produced by wealthy people[1]. They produce orders of magnitude more than even the average US citizen, which is astonishing. 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/05/25/slowing-population-growth-environment/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/05/25/...
- Zenst 4y ago
  Very true - those impacted are mostly those who are not causing the issues and those that cause the issues are more inclinded to complain how they can't water there lovely green grass than care about the destruction happening elsewhere as sadly many people have a selfish mentality.
  - superchroma 4y ago
    The planet can't afford to bring every person on this planet to a 2022 first world style of living. Industrializing America and Europe trashed the planet pretty thoroughly. With that said, poorer countries are no less aspirational than the west was, hence why Brazil burns its rainforest and others consume limited resources like sand, etc. and freely pollute and pillage the ocean. Judged on action, they have no interest in their tomorrows at all. How do you propose we reconcile this gap?
    - smt88 4y ago
      > How do you propose we reconcile this gap? Waste management, nuclear and other renewable energy, and technology.
    - Zenst 4y ago
      > The planet can't afford to bring every person on this planet to a 2022 first world style of living That is why the "first world style of living" needs to change and meet in the middle. When you have systems that rewards you the more you buy/use instead of penalising you is kinda the crux.
- superchroma 4y ago
  I didn't nominate a population, you did that all on your own :) Also, note that those poor people in developing countries helped fill our oceans with plastic, so everyone's a bit guilty.
  - smt88 4y ago
    > I didn't nominate a population, you did that all on your own If you have a point, make it. Don't try to smear me with your own ignorance. Wealthy people in developed countries are already reducing their populations. The only category for population control is people who are still having more than 2-3 children on average.

Population control probably starts to come into it. I think the notion that we can just continue to pile on people on the planet is increasingly divorced from reality.

smt88 4y ago

> Population control probably starts to come into it. It doesn't. The population we would "control" (mostly poor people in developing countries) contribute tiny amounts to climate change. The vast majority of non-industrial emissions are produced by wealthy people[1]. They produce orders of magnitude more than even the average US citizen, which is astonishing. 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/05/25/slowing-population-growth-environment/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2021/05/25/...

Zenst 4y ago
Very true - those impacted are mostly those who are not causing the issues and those that cause the issues are more inclinded to complain how they can't water there lovely green grass than care about the destruction happening elsewhere as sadly many people have a selfish mentality.
- superchroma 4y ago
  The planet can't afford to bring every person on this planet to a 2022 first world style of living. Industrializing America and Europe trashed the planet pretty thoroughly. With that said, poorer countries are no less aspirational than the west was, hence why Brazil burns its rainforest and others consume limited resources like sand, etc. and freely pollute and pillage the ocean. Judged on action, they have no interest in their tomorrows at all. How do you propose we reconcile this gap?
  - smt88 4y ago
    > How do you propose we reconcile this gap? Waste management, nuclear and other renewable energy, and technology.
  - Zenst 4y ago
    > The planet can't afford to bring every person on this planet to a 2022 first world style of living That is why the "first world style of living" needs to change and meet in the middle. When you have systems that rewards you the more you buy/use instead of penalising you is kinda the crux.
superchroma 4y ago
I didn't nominate a population, you did that all on your own :) Also, note that those poor people in developing countries helped fill our oceans with plastic, so everyone's a bit guilty.
- smt88 4y ago
  > I didn't nominate a population, you did that all on your own If you have a point, make it. Don't try to smear me with your own ignorance. Wealthy people in developed countries are already reducing their populations. The only category for population control is people who are still having more than 2-3 children on average.