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The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. >“I can’t imagine any office

The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. >“I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day, if you buy a home, this can happen very easily. The highest paid job I've ever had was fully remote, I think I would like if companies had a dual compensation structure. All of you who love the office so much can get a $20,000 year bonus, and I'll be chilling in my nice paid off home out in suburban Illinois. To be abundantly clear in a world where remote work is the norm, I'll be able to buy a home very easily. But if we go back to forcing everyone into the office, I'll never buy a home in the United States .

catchnear4321 4y ago
Goodness gracious you have assumed a lot about me. Fret not, I’m not an office lover. Going to provide a bit of advice. Take it or leave it. If you don’t want to work in an office, those office lovers are going to need to appreciate your side too. If you’re hoping for a compromise, at least. You may want to alienate them a bit less, or it will be you versus them. And if they win, back you go!
josephcsible 4y ago
> The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. This sounds like being against democracy because you won't always be in the majority. > Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day The word "many" is doing a lot of work there. Most people's commutes are way shorter than that.
- 999900000999 4y ago
  For my first salary job, my commute was about 4 hours or so More junior people, say an entry level employee who still lives at home, will have longer commutes. I am absolutely not seeing it any sort of majority that wants to go back to the office, it's more like corporate desperately wants it and enough people are like, oh they promised to give us extra bagels, sure. As long as I'm doing my work, I want the freedom to live wherever I want in the United States.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    > For my first salary job, my commute was about 4 hours or so Sure, but I think you were an outlier, very far from typical. > More junior people, say an entry level employee who still lives at home, will have longer commutes. Longer, sure, but I still don't think anywhere near 4 hours.
- catchnear4321 4y ago
  I want to agree, but to flip the description around a little, maybe exaggerate, a little devil’s advocacy if you will… If everyone but you voted for cake and ice cream on wednesdays, but you’re clocking in at the gates of hell each morning, will you accept defeat and join them? A bit of hyperbole, for sure, but if it ever isn’t…
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    > If everyone but you voted for cake and ice cream on wednesdays, but you’re clocking in at the gates of hell each morning, will you accept defeat and join them? This reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1170/ https://xkcd.com/1170/ - if everyone but you is voting for that, there's probably something going on other than that you're the only sane one.
    - catchnear4321 4y ago
      That just seems like hyperbole in the other direction though. Plenty of teenagers do incredibly dumb things as groups, due to group dynamics. So do plenty of adults. But due to several reasons, such as age, they are adults, not kids. If everyone votes for cake and ice cream in hell except for me, you damn well know they don’t like me and found out I’m lactose intolerant. Fuck that I’m taking my toys and going home. Yes, all silly examples. Bystander effect may have a shaky origin, replying to you with a quote from boondocks saints would be disingenuous, but it isn’t worth ruling out what has come from that little seed of an idea based upon some erroneous reporting of a horrible event. Without knowing why everyone voted for cake and ice cream, all I can do is recognize that it was a very peculiar decision. I’m not grabbing my assault rifle type 15 machine gun straight away and shouting 1776, but I won’t be shrugging off that idea and clocking in without a damn fine explanation. Unlike people jumping off a bridge, it won’t need split-second decision making.

catchnear4321 4y ago

Goodness gracious you have assumed a lot about me. Fret not, I’m not an office lover. Going to provide a bit of advice. Take it or leave it. If you don’t want to work in an office, those office lovers are going to need to appreciate your side too. If you’re hoping for a compromise, at least. You may want to alienate them a bit less, or it will be you versus them. And if they win, back you go!

josephcsible 4y ago

> The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. This sounds like being against democracy because you won't always be in the majority. > Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day The word "many" is doing a lot of work there. Most people's commutes are way shorter than that.

999900000999 4y ago
For my first salary job, my commute was about 4 hours or so More junior people, say an entry level employee who still lives at home, will have longer commutes. I am absolutely not seeing it any sort of majority that wants to go back to the office, it's more like corporate desperately wants it and enough people are like, oh they promised to give us extra bagels, sure. As long as I'm doing my work, I want the freedom to live wherever I want in the United States.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > For my first salary job, my commute was about 4 hours or so Sure, but I think you were an outlier, very far from typical. > More junior people, say an entry level employee who still lives at home, will have longer commutes. Longer, sure, but I still don't think anywhere near 4 hours.
catchnear4321 4y ago
I want to agree, but to flip the description around a little, maybe exaggerate, a little devil’s advocacy if you will… If everyone but you voted for cake and ice cream on wednesdays, but you’re clocking in at the gates of hell each morning, will you accept defeat and join them? A bit of hyperbole, for sure, but if it ever isn’t…
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > If everyone but you voted for cake and ice cream on wednesdays, but you’re clocking in at the gates of hell each morning, will you accept defeat and join them? This reminds me of https://xkcd.com/1170/ https://xkcd.com/1170/ - if everyone but you is voting for that, there's probably something going on other than that you're the only sane one.
  - catchnear4321 4y ago
    That just seems like hyperbole in the other direction though. Plenty of teenagers do incredibly dumb things as groups, due to group dynamics. So do plenty of adults. But due to several reasons, such as age, they are adults, not kids. If everyone votes for cake and ice cream in hell except for me, you damn well know they don’t like me and found out I’m lactose intolerant. Fuck that I’m taking my toys and going home. Yes, all silly examples. Bystander effect may have a shaky origin, replying to you with a quote from boondocks saints would be disingenuous, but it isn’t worth ruling out what has come from that little seed of an idea based upon some erroneous reporting of a horrible event. Without knowing why everyone voted for cake and ice cream, all I can do is recognize that it was a very peculiar decision. I’m not grabbing my assault rifle type 15 machine gun straight away and shouting 1776, but I won’t be shrugging off that idea and clocking in without a damn fine explanation. Unlike people jumping off a bridge, it won’t need split-second decision making.