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> It is their land and you should pay respects Clearly, it’s not their land. Are you giving it back? No? Then it’s still your land. > It is their land and you

> It is their land and you should pay respects Clearly, it’s not their land. Are you giving it back? No? Then it’s still your land. > It is their land and you should pay respects, a small ceremony isn’t too much of an inconvenience. We’ve already demonstrated that it’s not their land. If it was, we wouldn’t even be discussing an acknowledgment. As for “should”? Why should we?

ace2358 4y ago
I don’t know what to say to this. :(
- teakettle42 4y ago
  Why not? If you’re asking everyone to subscribe to your religious dogma, shouldn’t you be able to present even a modicum of an argument as to why?
  - ace2358 4y ago
    Woah mate, religious dogma? Please. This is a respect thing like saying thank you or you’re welcome. Not religious at all. I’m not asking anyone to do this. It was and STILL is a cultural normal in Australia and surrounding islands for some incredibly long amount of time (30,000 years perhaps?). Long long time. Not hard to honour is it? > Protocols for welcoming visitors to Country have always been a part of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Boundaries were clear, and crossing into another group’s Country required a request for permission to enter. >When permission was granted the hosting group would welcome the visitors, offering them safe passage and protection of their spiritual being during the journey. Visitors had to respect the protocols and rules of the land owner group while on their Country. > An Acknowledgement of Country is an opportunity for anyone to show respect for Traditional Owners and the continuing connection of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples to Country. >An Acknowledgement of Country can be offered by any person and like a Welcome to Country, is given at the beginning of a meeting, speech or event. https://www.reconciliation.org.au/acknowledgement-of-country-and-welcome-to-country/ https://www.reconciliation.org.au/acknowledgement-of-country...
    - teakettle42 4y ago
      > Woah mate, religious dogma? Please. Yes, it’s empty dogma. Do you believe in their spiritual and cultural practices? What gives you the right to welcome anyone to a country that you, by your own admission, do not own? Are you going to give it back, or not? If not, then stop trying to guilt others into participating in your empty, hypocritical posturing. > This is a respect thing like saying thank you or you’re welcome. Not religious at all. Do you have an argument for your empty religious platitudes or not? So far, it seems “not”. “Yikes” and “woah” are not arguments.
      - ace2358 4y ago
        Why are you so angry about this? Honest question. Did you read the quote? Elders perform a welcome to country. Non elders perform an acknowledgement. None of this is based is faith or religion. It’s not posturing either, these things are just good manners in the cultures of the people who past present and future live on this land. I’m not even trying to make an argument out of these things, just highlighting that it is a tradition that has been practised for many TENS of THOUSANDS of years. I’m not guilting anyone to do anything. It’s not even posturing. It’s tradition for the people who walked this land long before me.
        teakettle42 4y ago
        > Why are you so angry about this? Honest question. It’s performative, hypocritical, and a form of social aggression used to assert your own standing/power, not to actually help a single person. “Acknowledgement” has not been practiced for “many TENS of THOUSANDS of years”. > I’m not guilting anyone to do anything. Of course you are. See all the “yikes” and “woah” you post, and weird capitalization of “TENS of THOUSANDS” above. You absolutely are attempting to leverage vapid social aggression to guilt people into following your silly religious dogma. > It’s not even posturing. Of course it is. It’s a meaningless, modern, invented platitude used by people like yourself to advertise how virtuous you believe you are. > It’s tradition for the people who walked this land long before me. Your useless “acknowledgement” of having stolen the land while refusing to give it back? That’s not some ancient tradition. Every group prior took land from others, claimed it at their own, and didn’t pretend to performative “guilt” over having done so.

ace2358 4y ago

I don’t know what to say to this. :(

teakettle42 4y ago
Why not? If you’re asking everyone to subscribe to your religious dogma, shouldn’t you be able to present even a modicum of an argument as to why?
- ace2358 4y ago
  Woah mate, religious dogma? Please. This is a respect thing like saying thank you or you’re welcome. Not religious at all. I’m not asking anyone to do this. It was and STILL is a cultural normal in Australia and surrounding islands for some incredibly long amount of time (30,000 years perhaps?). Long long time. Not hard to honour is it? > Protocols for welcoming visitors to Country have always been a part of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures. Boundaries were clear, and crossing into another group’s Country required a request for permission to enter. >When permission was granted the hosting group would welcome the visitors, offering them safe passage and protection of their spiritual being during the journey. Visitors had to respect the protocols and rules of the land owner group while on their Country. > An Acknowledgement of Country is an opportunity for anyone to show respect for Traditional Owners and the continuing connection of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples to Country. >An Acknowledgement of Country can be offered by any person and like a Welcome to Country, is given at the beginning of a meeting, speech or event. https://www.reconciliation.org.au/acknowledgement-of-country-and-welcome-to-country/ https://www.reconciliation.org.au/acknowledgement-of-country...
  - teakettle42 4y ago
    > Woah mate, religious dogma? Please. Yes, it’s empty dogma. Do you believe in their spiritual and cultural practices? What gives you the right to welcome anyone to a country that you, by your own admission, do not own? Are you going to give it back, or not? If not, then stop trying to guilt others into participating in your empty, hypocritical posturing. > This is a respect thing like saying thank you or you’re welcome. Not religious at all. Do you have an argument for your empty religious platitudes or not? So far, it seems “not”. “Yikes” and “woah” are not arguments.
    - ace2358 4y ago
      Why are you so angry about this? Honest question. Did you read the quote? Elders perform a welcome to country. Non elders perform an acknowledgement. None of this is based is faith or religion. It’s not posturing either, these things are just good manners in the cultures of the people who past present and future live on this land. I’m not even trying to make an argument out of these things, just highlighting that it is a tradition that has been practised for many TENS of THOUSANDS of years. I’m not guilting anyone to do anything. It’s not even posturing. It’s tradition for the people who walked this land long before me.
      - teakettle42 4y ago
        > Why are you so angry about this? Honest question. It’s performative, hypocritical, and a form of social aggression used to assert your own standing/power, not to actually help a single person. “Acknowledgement” has not been practiced for “many TENS of THOUSANDS of years”. > I’m not guilting anyone to do anything. Of course you are. See all the “yikes” and “woah” you post, and weird capitalization of “TENS of THOUSANDS” above. You absolutely are attempting to leverage vapid social aggression to guilt people into following your silly religious dogma. > It’s not even posturing. Of course it is. It’s a meaningless, modern, invented platitude used by people like yourself to advertise how virtuous you believe you are. > It’s tradition for the people who walked this land long before me. Your useless “acknowledgement” of having stolen the land while refusing to give it back? That’s not some ancient tradition. Every group prior took land from others, claimed it at their own, and didn’t pretend to performative “guilt” over having done so.