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For the same reason most (if not all) real estate agents are worthless. There's no barrier to entry and there's the allure of easy money. Until the profits coll

by bhickey 15y ago

For the same reason most (if not all) real estate agents are worthless. There's no barrier to entry and there's the allure of easy money. Until the profits collapse the market will be inundated with wannabes.

bdunbar 15y ago
Until the profits collapse the market will be inundated with wannabes. When will this happen? The guy the poster was talking to sounds like a younger brother of some guys I dealt with in the 90s. That said, I've dealt with a handful of 'okay' recruiters, as a job-seeker. At least two.
dredmorbius 15y ago
There's also relatively little feedback reinforcement for the good (quality) recruiters. Since remunerative reward is based on quantity, not quality, market incentives are diametrically at odds with what both hiring managers and talent would benefit by. One solution is to not do business with or encourage the idiots in any manner whatsoever. I also jealously guard my time. If you're wasting, it, particularly on the phone, assuming you've reached me in the first place (I'm increasingly extremely phone-hostile), I'll respond with "Thanks, not interested, have a nice day. <click>". That's a single sentence, punctuated with the call termination. I've only got in a fight with one recruiter over that -- he called back. I noted that he was wasting both of our time and tarnishing his (and his employer's) reputation by the second. He didn't call a second time.
- tomjen3 15y ago
  I am waiting for Google Voice or something similar to get here so that I can have all calls from an unknown number go straight to voicemail (including not actually ringing). It is not even that I get that many calls but it would be nice to know that you won't have some guy call you. I can't even imagine how annoying it must be for people who have business cards out there.
  - Chris_Newton 15y ago
    FWIW, we're considering getting one of these for similar reasons: http://www.truecall.co.uk/ http://www.truecall.co.uk/ Not sure if it's available for use outside the UK, but we'll settle for just stopping calls to our phone from outside the UK from ringing given that 100% of them are junk. (In theory, BT can block them on request. In practice, that request has not been effective, so we're looking for a more direct approach.)
gcb 15y ago
Wait, if they get 20k per candidate hired, and the turnover is 90 days, what kind of schlock does go back to them? And what kind does not sure them when its obvious the candidate did not have any of the advertised qualifications?

by bhickey 15y ago

bdunbar 15y ago

Until the profits collapse the market will be inundated with wannabes. When will this happen? The guy the poster was talking to sounds like a younger brother of some guys I dealt with in the 90s. That said, I've dealt with a handful of 'okay' recruiters, as a job-seeker. At least two.

dredmorbius 15y ago

There's also relatively little feedback reinforcement for the good (quality) recruiters. Since remunerative reward is based on quantity, not quality, market incentives are diametrically at odds with what both hiring managers and talent would benefit by. One solution is to not do business with or encourage the idiots in any manner whatsoever. I also jealously guard my time. If you're wasting, it, particularly on the phone, assuming you've reached me in the first place (I'm increasingly extremely phone-hostile), I'll respond with "Thanks, not interested, have a nice day. <click>". That's a single sentence, punctuated with the call termination. I've only got in a fight with one recruiter over that -- he called back. I noted that he was wasting both of our time and tarnishing his (and his employer's) reputation by the second. He didn't call a second time.

tomjen3 15y ago
I am waiting for Google Voice or something similar to get here so that I can have all calls from an unknown number go straight to voicemail (including not actually ringing). It is not even that I get that many calls but it would be nice to know that you won't have some guy call you. I can't even imagine how annoying it must be for people who have business cards out there.
- Chris_Newton 15y ago
  FWIW, we're considering getting one of these for similar reasons: http://www.truecall.co.uk/ http://www.truecall.co.uk/ Not sure if it's available for use outside the UK, but we'll settle for just stopping calls to our phone from outside the UK from ringing given that 100% of them are junk. (In theory, BT can block them on request. In practice, that request has not been effective, so we're looking for a more direct approach.)

gcb 15y ago

Wait, if they get 20k per candidate hired, and the turnover is 90 days, what kind of schlock does go back to them? And what kind does not sure them when its obvious the candidate did not have any of the advertised qualifications?