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I work for money. Money. Money. Not to make friends, not to build culture. Considering how offended everyone is now, work isn't the place to socialize.

RichardCNormos 4y ago
> Considering how offended everyone is now, work isn't the place to socialize. Remote work is a safeguard. There is a record of every Slack interaction, and with minimal equipment, you can keep your own record of every video chat conversation, too. If someone chooses to take offense at something you've said, then seek vengeance by way of the HR department, you can go back to the record to exonerate yourself.
- HWR_14 4y ago
  Recording audio/video without all-party consent is legally perilous in the US. I recommend not doing that subtly. It's at the very least illegal if any of the parties are in California or several other states.
  - k12sosse 4y ago
    Not Canada. Only one party to the conversation needs to be aware. IANAL.
catchnear4321 4y ago
You can socialize without sharing everything. I too work for money. I could do a lot of the same things without a job. But some asshole won mega millions when it was my turn. If office culture sucks, I want it to improve, because that’s where I make money. It means I can make money with less stress. Less stress, more productivity. More productivity, more recognition, more opportunities for money. You can look at things as cold and calculating as you want. That’s fine. If I try to do that, it sounds like you aren’t being very efficient at how you make your money. Money. Money. And missing out on other benefits that come from said efficiency. Like potentially socializing, or friends. Or culture.
- 999900000999 4y ago
  That's your problem. If you have difficulty making friends then go to concerts or something. I can't imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting. For the record, I'm still friends with multiple co workers from previous jobs. But that's just not the point of work.
  - catchnear4321 4y ago
    “That’s your problem.” Please do elaborate. “If you have difficulty making friends…” Who said the office was the only place that’s possible? You’re just missing it as a place that’s possible. You don’t agree. That’s ok. “I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. “For the record, I’m still friends with multiple co workers from previous jobs.” Not sure why you needed this on the record. I didn’t. But now it is on there twice. I’m doing my part. “But that’s just not the point of work.” Yep, explained that. You’re not making as much money as you could. But that’s your problem.
    - 999900000999 4y ago
      The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. >“I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day, if you buy a home, this can happen very easily. The highest paid job I've ever had was fully remote, I think I would like if companies had a dual compensation structure. All of you who love the office so much can get a $20,000 year bonus, and I'll be chilling in my nice paid off home out in suburban Illinois. To be abundantly clear in a world where remote work is the norm, I'll be able to buy a home very easily. But if we go back to forcing everyone into the office, I'll never buy a home in the United States .
      - catchnear4321 4y ago
sorrychuck 4y ago

RichardCNormos 4y ago

> Considering how offended everyone is now, work isn't the place to socialize. Remote work is a safeguard. There is a record of every Slack interaction, and with minimal equipment, you can keep your own record of every video chat conversation, too. If someone chooses to take offense at something you've said, then seek vengeance by way of the HR department, you can go back to the record to exonerate yourself.

HWR_14 4y ago
Recording audio/video without all-party consent is legally perilous in the US. I recommend not doing that subtly. It's at the very least illegal if any of the parties are in California or several other states.
- k12sosse 4y ago
  Not Canada. Only one party to the conversation needs to be aware. IANAL.

catchnear4321 4y ago

You can socialize without sharing everything. I too work for money. I could do a lot of the same things without a job. But some asshole won mega millions when it was my turn. If office culture sucks, I want it to improve, because that’s where I make money. It means I can make money with less stress. Less stress, more productivity. More productivity, more recognition, more opportunities for money. You can look at things as cold and calculating as you want. That’s fine. If I try to do that, it sounds like you aren’t being very efficient at how you make your money. Money. Money. And missing out on other benefits that come from said efficiency. Like potentially socializing, or friends. Or culture.

999900000999 4y ago
That's your problem. If you have difficulty making friends then go to concerts or something. I can't imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting. For the record, I'm still friends with multiple co workers from previous jobs. But that's just not the point of work.
- catchnear4321 4y ago
  “That’s your problem.” Please do elaborate. “If you have difficulty making friends…” Who said the office was the only place that’s possible? You’re just missing it as a place that’s possible. You don’t agree. That’s ok. “I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. “For the record, I’m still friends with multiple co workers from previous jobs.” Not sure why you needed this on the record. I didn’t. But now it is on there twice. I’m doing my part. “But that’s just not the point of work.” Yep, explained that. You’re not making as much money as you could. But that’s your problem.
  - 999900000999 4y ago
    The issue is if enough people are willing to go back in the office for stuff like free brownie Wednesdays, we all have to go back. >“I can’t imagine any office culture worth the time I waste commuting.” Sorry you haven’t worked anywhere with anything close to good culture. Bad culture isn’t worth a zoom call. Many people have commutes of anywhere from 3 to 4 hours per day, if you buy a home, this can happen very easily. The highest paid job I've ever had was fully remote, I think I would like if companies had a dual compensation structure. All of you who love the office so much can get a $20,000 year bonus, and I'll be chilling in my nice paid off home out in suburban Illinois. To be abundantly clear in a world where remote work is the norm, I'll be able to buy a home very easily. But if we go back to forcing everyone into the office, I'll never buy a home in the United States .
    - catchnear4321 4y ago

sorrychuck 4y ago