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Completely agree with both paragraphs. And unfortunately, in my experience as both a university tutor back in the day, and now as a hiring manager for some can

Completely agree with both paragraphs. And unfortunately, in my experience as both a university tutor back in the day, and now as a hiring manager for some candidates - international students, even those who studied at local universities - are by far the least qualified in all areas. The international student game is a billion dollar industry that lines the pockets of university staff, allows constant round-the-year renovations of university facilities, and allows the universities to present themselves as "diverse and inclusive" learning environments. The problem will never be solved as long as money is involved.

geraldwhen 4y ago
I’ve interviewed so many masters CS degree holders from prestigious schools. 0 of them, 0, could declare variables and get through hello world.
- wincy 4y ago
  Ten years ago it felt like a huge gamble that I dropped out of the computer science program at college and just started writing code. But based on all I’ve heard, and based on my career experience, as long as I can write code halfway competently and communicate well with others, it sounds like I’m going to have a job. It really helps alleviate hints of imposter syndrome, honestly.
  - Rodeoclash 4y ago
    You can still get value from a CS degree, it's just not an automatic pass to get into the industry. For what it's worth, I also skipped uni (this was 25 years ago) and went straight into the industry. I'm not as talented as many, particularly in things like algo design but much of the day to day programming in Australia is fairly straightforward.
angus-g 4y ago
> that lines the pockets of university staff This is of course only the administrative/management levels. The staff doing the actual teaching and grading are lumped with all the work “as part of the job”, and also the money doesn’t see the post-grad or research sides of the university.

geraldwhen 4y ago

I’ve interviewed so many masters CS degree holders from prestigious schools. 0 of them, 0, could declare variables and get through hello world.

wincy 4y ago
Ten years ago it felt like a huge gamble that I dropped out of the computer science program at college and just started writing code. But based on all I’ve heard, and based on my career experience, as long as I can write code halfway competently and communicate well with others, it sounds like I’m going to have a job. It really helps alleviate hints of imposter syndrome, honestly.
- Rodeoclash 4y ago
  You can still get value from a CS degree, it's just not an automatic pass to get into the industry. For what it's worth, I also skipped uni (this was 25 years ago) and went straight into the industry. I'm not as talented as many, particularly in things like algo design but much of the day to day programming in Australia is fairly straightforward.

angus-g 4y ago

> that lines the pockets of university staff This is of course only the administrative/management levels. The staff doing the actual teaching and grading are lumped with all the work “as part of the job”, and also the money doesn’t see the post-grad or research sides of the university.