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> * When we're so scared as a society of the Covid death spike that we stunt the social and educational development of children by years, which is potentially u

> * When we're so scared as a society of the Covid death spike that we stunt the social and educational development of children by years, which is potentially unrecoverable. This sounds a lot like "we should ignore warnings about pollution because the cost of moving away from fossil fuels would be too expensive," actually. Picking such an open-ended thing like this really undermines your point here. You want people's Covid-prompted behaviors (exaggerated into stuff like "two years mostly staying home, gaining 50 pounds") to be compared to "fear of nuclear meltdown." But you can't substantiate those long-term risks in anything like the same way we can those of burning coal at this point. Is Covid more "potentially unrecoverable" for kids and young adults than themselves or family members being drafted for a world war and dying en masse? Than school shootings that we tolerate for vague "protect our liberty" talk?

MisterMower 4y ago
Show your work, do the cost justification, and make your assumptions explicit. Until either of you do that, you’re just guessing.
- kelnos 4y ago
  I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect someone to do that work, or even have the tools or data sources to do that work. Sure, I think it's reasonable to expect people to provide sources to support ideas when possible, but it's a little unreasonable to expect people to do extensive first-party research to support their opinions. I think there's value in the discussion either way. Most of the time I don't think we're going to change people's minds with this sort of discussion, but I do enjoy seeing what people's positions are on these sorts of topics, and find that I learn things from it.
  - MisterMower 4y ago
    If they’re unwilling to do the work, then they should stop pretending to be certain that their opinion is correct.
    - someguydave 4y ago
      Amen
    - delecti 4y ago
      Why do you require sources from majormajor and not anonporridge? Neither presented supporting data for their opinions, but majormajor was simultaneously pointing out that anonporridge didn't. You seem to be showing your bias in favor of anonporridge's positions by who you choose to demand evidence from.
- dotancohen 4y ago
  Just like the comment that he was replying to did?

MisterMower 4y ago

Show your work, do the cost justification, and make your assumptions explicit. Until either of you do that, you’re just guessing.

kelnos 4y ago
I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect someone to do that work, or even have the tools or data sources to do that work. Sure, I think it's reasonable to expect people to provide sources to support ideas when possible, but it's a little unreasonable to expect people to do extensive first-party research to support their opinions. I think there's value in the discussion either way. Most of the time I don't think we're going to change people's minds with this sort of discussion, but I do enjoy seeing what people's positions are on these sorts of topics, and find that I learn things from it.
- MisterMower 4y ago
  If they’re unwilling to do the work, then they should stop pretending to be certain that their opinion is correct.
  - someguydave 4y ago
    Amen
  - delecti 4y ago
    Why do you require sources from majormajor and not anonporridge? Neither presented supporting data for their opinions, but majormajor was simultaneously pointing out that anonporridge didn't. You seem to be showing your bias in favor of anonporridge's positions by who you choose to demand evidence from.
dotancohen 4y ago
Just like the comment that he was replying to did?