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My immediate thought here too. Is it possible to defeat US and European citizenship with Tor, as well? Looking for solutions once the "Disinformation Governance

My immediate thought here too. Is it possible to defeat US and European citizenship with Tor, as well? Looking for solutions once the "Disinformation Governance Board" gets rolling again.

cowtools 4y ago
>Is it possible to defeat US and European citizenship with Tor, as well? Rhetorical question? Serve your web page as an onion service (preferably without javascript). >Looking for solutions once the "Disinformation Governance Board" gets rolling again. I doubt it. It would be highly unpopular and supreme court will strike it down.
- trasz 4y ago
  >I doubt it. It would be highly unpopular and supreme court will strike it down. Last time it happened it took a decade to end it, and of course nobody got punished: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
knowaveragejoe 4y ago
What if you're actually just looking at disinformation?
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Americans have the right to read disinformation. I am and should be allowed to read propaganda from any idiot organization I please.
  - xdennis 4y ago
    No you don't have that right. The US literally had an Office of Censorship during WW2. Every country has different rules during war, and here in Europe many Russian politicians have made statements about attacking us. We shouldn't allow the Russians any means of attacking us from the inside.
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      The US government has done much that is unconstitutional. I do in fact have that right.
      - knowaveragejoe 4y ago
        Nothing about that is unconstitutional.
HyperSane 4y ago
halffaday 4y ago
What is your estimation of the odds that the US security complex is funding the means to subvert its own domestic surveillance efforts? https://www.rt.com/usa/420219-tor-us-government-funded-bbg/ https://www.rt.com/usa/420219-tor-us-government-funded-bbg/ Back in the late aughts a user claimed to have found some extremely suspicious activity: https://web.archive.org/web/20070515180447/http://jadeserpent.i2p.tin0.de/tor-dc-nodes-2.txt https://web.archive.org/web/20070515180447/http://jadeserpen... Some folks get emotionally invested in tor and get really bent out of shape when you bring this up. You will hear silly arguments about open source code as if that was any kind of guarantee about what’s running on a server you can’t inspect. Or maybe according to some explainer they read, its secrecy is unbreakable, despite that correlation attacks on the protocol have been known for years.
- sneak 4y ago
  You don't seem to understand how clientside encryption works. You don't need to trust any code on the server. This is pure FUD.
- RonMarken 4y ago
  Conclusion. Some random person created a bunch of Tor exit nodes doing some internal routing fuckery for :80 traffic. Anyone should assume their plain-text traffic is fine-pickings when over Tor (and probably any of the VPN providers anyway) (If you are more concerned about traffic correlation perhaps be more careful where you are entering the Tor network)

My immediate thought here too. Is it possible to defeat US and European citizenship with Tor, as well? Looking for solutions once the "Disinformation Governance Board" gets rolling again.

cowtools 4y ago

>Is it possible to defeat US and European citizenship with Tor, as well? Rhetorical question? Serve your web page as an onion service (preferably without javascript). >Looking for solutions once the "Disinformation Governance Board" gets rolling again. I doubt it. It would be highly unpopular and supreme court will strike it down.

trasz 4y ago
>I doubt it. It would be highly unpopular and supreme court will strike it down. Last time it happened it took a decade to end it, and of course nobody got punished: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

knowaveragejoe 4y ago

What if you're actually just looking at disinformation?

MichaelCollins 4y ago
Americans have the right to read disinformation. I am and should be allowed to read propaganda from any idiot organization I please.
- xdennis 4y ago
  No you don't have that right. The US literally had an Office of Censorship during WW2. Every country has different rules during war, and here in Europe many Russian politicians have made statements about attacking us. We shouldn't allow the Russians any means of attacking us from the inside.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    The US government has done much that is unconstitutional. I do in fact have that right.
    - knowaveragejoe 4y ago
      Nothing about that is unconstitutional.

HyperSane 4y ago

halffaday 4y ago

What is your estimation of the odds that the US security complex is funding the means to subvert its own domestic surveillance efforts? https://www.rt.com/usa/420219-tor-us-government-funded-bbg/ https://www.rt.com/usa/420219-tor-us-government-funded-bbg/ Back in the late aughts a user claimed to have found some extremely suspicious activity: https://web.archive.org/web/20070515180447/http://jadeserpent.i2p.tin0.de/tor-dc-nodes-2.txt https://web.archive.org/web/20070515180447/http://jadeserpen... Some folks get emotionally invested in tor and get really bent out of shape when you bring this up. You will hear silly arguments about open source code as if that was any kind of guarantee about what’s running on a server you can’t inspect. Or maybe according to some explainer they read, its secrecy is unbreakable, despite that correlation attacks on the protocol have been known for years.

sneak 4y ago
You don't seem to understand how clientside encryption works. You don't need to trust any code on the server. This is pure FUD.
RonMarken 4y ago
Conclusion. Some random person created a bunch of Tor exit nodes doing some internal routing fuckery for :80 traffic. Anyone should assume their plain-text traffic is fine-pickings when over Tor (and probably any of the VPN providers anyway) (If you are more concerned about traffic correlation perhaps be more careful where you are entering the Tor network)