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Clojure libraries target microservices with a precision that no other language ecosystem has. In essence, Clojure web services developers rail against Rails an

Clojure libraries target microservices with a precision that no other language ecosystem has. In essence, Clojure web services developers rail against Rails and other bloated, unnecessarily complected (https://www.infoq.com/presentations/Simple-Made-Easy/ https://www.infoq.com/presentations/Simple-Made-Easy/) frameworks of the 90s. As a Clojurist I too rail against Rails. I don't think that expansive model fits the problem space. I have had painful experiences in the past maintaining Rails projects wondering why they didn't know of DRY. If there is a essence within Rails that you feel could be distilled into a lean Clojure model, build it out in a library and share it.

aantix 4y ago
Keeping things DRY is about the discipline of the developer. It’s nothing specific to the language or framework.
janetacarr 4y ago
My central thesis seems to be getting lost here. I'm not advocating for a Clojure Rails because I love Rails. I've never used Rails to be honest. I'm arguing open-source efforts are repeatedly being spent on trying to build the next web framework/library/toolkit (Rails) for Clojure and not much else, so it would be great if there was one, so we can get on with filling the gaps in the Clojure ecosystem.
- huahaiy 4y ago
  "open-source efforts are repeatedly being spent on trying to build the next web framework/library/toolkit (Rails) for Clojure and not much else", really? That's contrary to what most of us know. There are some efforts in the Web front, but not much. At least, the community is not paying much attention to these efforts. Let's look at the list of community funded projects, e.g. those in Clojure Together: the only Web related projects funded were clj-http in 2018, ring, re-frame and reagent in 2020. None of these are Web frameworks, and the rest of the funded projects are not Web related at all.
fmakunbound 4y ago
> Clojure libraries target microservices with a precision that .. I’m not sure what that means exactly, but no one is using Rails only for building out micro services. They’re using Rails to go from nothing to a production ready web application, with all the incidental complexity taken care of, in a very short time. It’s been a few years since I was involved with Clojure ecosystem - what is the Clojure experience equivalent to say, the original Rails demo from back in 2005? The last I tried, all the parts seemed to be there, but much painful assembly/“composing” was required and not all the parts fitted which ended up producing a lot of awkward complexity needing desperate decomplecting.

aantix 4y ago

Keeping things DRY is about the discipline of the developer. It’s nothing specific to the language or framework.

janetacarr 4y ago

My central thesis seems to be getting lost here. I'm not advocating for a Clojure Rails because I love Rails. I've never used Rails to be honest. I'm arguing open-source efforts are repeatedly being spent on trying to build the next web framework/library/toolkit (Rails) for Clojure and not much else, so it would be great if there was one, so we can get on with filling the gaps in the Clojure ecosystem.

huahaiy 4y ago
"open-source efforts are repeatedly being spent on trying to build the next web framework/library/toolkit (Rails) for Clojure and not much else", really? That's contrary to what most of us know. There are some efforts in the Web front, but not much. At least, the community is not paying much attention to these efforts. Let's look at the list of community funded projects, e.g. those in Clojure Together: the only Web related projects funded were clj-http in 2018, ring, re-frame and reagent in 2020. None of these are Web frameworks, and the rest of the funded projects are not Web related at all.

fmakunbound 4y ago

> Clojure libraries target microservices with a precision that .. I’m not sure what that means exactly, but no one is using Rails only for building out micro services. They’re using Rails to go from nothing to a production ready web application, with all the incidental complexity taken care of, in a very short time. It’s been a few years since I was involved with Clojure ecosystem - what is the Clojure experience equivalent to say, the original Rails demo from back in 2005? The last I tried, all the parts seemed to be there, but much painful assembly/“composing” was required and not all the parts fitted which ended up producing a lot of awkward complexity needing desperate decomplecting.