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No, you can just install it if you need it. It is just another package, there is no special reason it needs to be default.

Amezarak 4y ago
Many of us work in worlds where we absolutely cannot just install packages. Solutions that aren’t default are solutions we can’t use. And X forwarding is available by default - losing that is regression.
- Crysstalis 4y ago
  If you cannot install any packages at all without major hassle, then I think you would have a lot worse problems in many other areas besides this. As I said elsewhere in the thread, X11 is also a horrible remoting solution, pretty much worse than every other possible option in every way. The only reason it seems anyone would even consider using it is because ssh has built-in support for it, or if you only use a handful of small Xaw3d or Motif applications with no graphics or bitmaps.
  - Amezarak 4y ago
    > then I think you would have a lot worse problems in many other areas besides this. I don't. I deal with many thousands of Linux servers. Batteries-included languages and X forwarded are my bread and butter. Losing the latter would make my job much, much worse. Of course, it would be nice to install random packages, but I can't. > The only reason it seems anyone would even consider using it is because ssh has built-in support for it, or if you only use a handful of small Xaw3d or Motif applications with no graphics or bitmaps. This is absolutely absurd and a completely ridiculous exaggeration approaching slander. I use perfectly normal, modern applications with X forwarding every day with zero issue, including web browsers (Firefox), image editors (GIMP), file managers (Dolphin), IDEs (Eclipse), various developer tools (MySQL Workbench) etc. Frankly, a comment like this is shocking because it's plainly untrue. > The only reason it seems anyone would even consider using it is because ssh has built-in support for it This is a tremendously bigger upside than you seem to be giving credit for. I'm going to just say it in this comment, because HN rate-limiting is hitting me, but none of the solutions you mentioned meet the criteria I described in the other post.

Amezarak 4y ago

Many of us work in worlds where we absolutely cannot just install packages. Solutions that aren’t default are solutions we can’t use. And X forwarding is available by default - losing that is regression.

Crysstalis 4y ago
If you cannot install any packages at all without major hassle, then I think you would have a lot worse problems in many other areas besides this. As I said elsewhere in the thread, X11 is also a horrible remoting solution, pretty much worse than every other possible option in every way. The only reason it seems anyone would even consider using it is because ssh has built-in support for it, or if you only use a handful of small Xaw3d or Motif applications with no graphics or bitmaps.
- Amezarak 4y ago
  > then I think you would have a lot worse problems in many other areas besides this. I don't. I deal with many thousands of Linux servers. Batteries-included languages and X forwarded are my bread and butter. Losing the latter would make my job much, much worse. Of course, it would be nice to install random packages, but I can't. > The only reason it seems anyone would even consider using it is because ssh has built-in support for it, or if you only use a handful of small Xaw3d or Motif applications with no graphics or bitmaps. This is absolutely absurd and a completely ridiculous exaggeration approaching slander. I use perfectly normal, modern applications with X forwarding every day with zero issue, including web browsers (Firefox), image editors (GIMP), file managers (Dolphin), IDEs (Eclipse), various developer tools (MySQL Workbench) etc. Frankly, a comment like this is shocking because it's plainly untrue. > The only reason it seems anyone would even consider using it is because ssh has built-in support for it This is a tremendously bigger upside than you seem to be giving credit for. I'm going to just say it in this comment, because HN rate-limiting is hitting me, but none of the solutions you mentioned meet the criteria I described in the other post.