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i think OP's two points are that 1. backlash against "feminization of men" is something that people seem to care about more in the USA than other countries (HN

by gcr 4y ago

i think OP's two points are that 1. backlash against "feminization of men" is something that people seem to care about more in the USA than other countries (HN audiences skew toward this population anyway); 2. these days, right-wing extremists in my country (USA) see "feminization of men" as a politically beneficial wedge issue, and this politicization makes it impossible to study the actual societal effects impartially/neutrally.

rayiner 4y ago
> backlash against "feminization of men" is something that people seem to care about more in the USA than other countries Only because in most countries the established gender norms are taken for granted and aren’t being challenged.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  Not really. Gender norms are being challenged pretty much everywhere. They certainly are in the Islamic world, in East Asia (including China), and in South America, which is most of the world. Just because they didn't change in the same way or magnitude as they did in the West as of now doesn't mean they aren't being challenged - they very much are.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    In my home country, "challenging gender norms" means "maybe women should go to school and participate in the work force." They're covering territory that western countries covered decades ago. By contrast, the reaction in America is to progressives who want to push us into uncharted territory ("gender is a spectrum"). It's very odd to suggest that America is more right wing than other countries for the backlash against progressive ideas that are gaining traction in America but would not even be viable in those other countries.
  - bergenty 4y ago
    Asia, the Middle East and South America skipped the giving rights to women part and have jumped straight to the backlash against it in sync with what’s happening in the west. I’m not even joking.

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i think OP's two points are that 1. backlash against "feminization of men" is something that people seem to care about more in the USA than other countries (HN

by gcr 4y ago

rayiner 4y ago
> backlash against "feminization of men" is something that people seem to care about more in the USA than other countries Only because in most countries the established gender norms are taken for granted and aren’t being challenged.
- sudosysgen 4y ago
  Not really. Gender norms are being challenged pretty much everywhere. They certainly are in the Islamic world, in East Asia (including China), and in South America, which is most of the world. Just because they didn't change in the same way or magnitude as they did in the West as of now doesn't mean they aren't being challenged - they very much are.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    In my home country, "challenging gender norms" means "maybe women should go to school and participate in the work force." They're covering territory that western countries covered decades ago. By contrast, the reaction in America is to progressives who want to push us into uncharted territory ("gender is a spectrum"). It's very odd to suggest that America is more right wing than other countries for the backlash against progressive ideas that are gaining traction in America but would not even be viable in those other countries.
  - bergenty 4y ago
    Asia, the Middle East and South America skipped the giving rights to women part and have jumped straight to the backlash against it in sync with what’s happening in the west. I’m not even joking.