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> As a Portuguese speaker, I have a terrible dislike for this on macOS. It's usually one of the first things I disable. It's slow to activate, and slow to selec

> As a Portuguese speaker, I have a terrible dislike for this on macOS. It's usually one of the first things I disable. It's slow to activate, and slow to select, so it's disruptive to my thinking and expressing. Dead keys, on the other hand, allow me to type fluidly. Isn't the entire point of this popup to give you a visual fallback option if you e.g. aren't a native speaker and don't know how to type it otherwise? For instance, assuming an english keyboard layout, typing á is a matter of "Alt-e a". I don't think it's meant to be the primary input method for native speakers?

cassianoleal 4y ago
> I don't think it's meant to be the primary input method for native speakers? I'm assuming you meant that as an affirmation despite the use of the question mark. If that's the case, then I agree it makes sense! I find macOS's default to have this enabled pretty bad though. I understand it on iDevices where dead keys would be awkward but not on a computer with a full, physical keyboard.
- klodolph 4y ago
  The question mark in this case doesn't indicate that the sentence is a question. This usage is common but not permitted in formal writing.
  - cassianoleal 4y ago
    Yes, I've come across this. It's very confusing for me. Not sure if it's because I'm not a native English speaker or some other reason but it always makes me pause and is not always clear which way it's meant.
    - klodolph 4y ago
      It’s used to mark a rising declarative. Wikipedia has an article about what it means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_declarative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_declarative The older generations think that this is “wrong”, so they don’t teach you what it means or how to use it. Just an observation—foreign language education generally teaches a formal version of the language and neglects informal/casual usage. This is normal. The problem is that informal/casual usage today becomes formal usage in the future, as language changes. Just as an example, if you take a Japanese class, they’ll probably teach you 「おはようございむす」 but not 「おっす」 (good morning), 「ありがとう」 but not 「サンキュー」 (thank you), and teach you to say 「無理」 when you should say 「難しい」 (impossible).
    - rjmorris 4y ago
      I'm a native English speaker, and it's confusing for me sometimes, too. I've had to ask multiple times whether someone was expecting an answer from me when they used this construct.

cassianoleal 4y ago

> I don't think it's meant to be the primary input method for native speakers? I'm assuming you meant that as an affirmation despite the use of the question mark. If that's the case, then I agree it makes sense! I find macOS's default to have this enabled pretty bad though. I understand it on iDevices where dead keys would be awkward but not on a computer with a full, physical keyboard.

klodolph 4y ago
The question mark in this case doesn't indicate that the sentence is a question. This usage is common but not permitted in formal writing.
- cassianoleal 4y ago
  Yes, I've come across this. It's very confusing for me. Not sure if it's because I'm not a native English speaker or some other reason but it always makes me pause and is not always clear which way it's meant.
  - klodolph 4y ago
    It’s used to mark a rising declarative. Wikipedia has an article about what it means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_declarative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_declarative The older generations think that this is “wrong”, so they don’t teach you what it means or how to use it. Just an observation—foreign language education generally teaches a formal version of the language and neglects informal/casual usage. This is normal. The problem is that informal/casual usage today becomes formal usage in the future, as language changes. Just as an example, if you take a Japanese class, they’ll probably teach you 「おはようございむす」 but not 「おっす」 (good morning), 「ありがとう」 but not 「サンキュー」 (thank you), and teach you to say 「無理」 when you should say 「難しい」 (impossible).
  - rjmorris 4y ago
    I'm a native English speaker, and it's confusing for me sometimes, too. I've had to ask multiple times whether someone was expecting an answer from me when they used this construct.