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Dropping testosterone levels and decreasing sperm quality are not a "right wing fear", but a scientific fact, and that should concern everyone: right and left w

Dropping testosterone levels and decreasing sperm quality are not a "right wing fear", but a scientific fact, and that should concern everyone: right and left wing, men and women. Also, to look at this 1 compound in isolation and downplay the significance of it, without considering the cumulative and synergistic effects of all the other xeno estrogens we are exposed to on a daily basis is irresponsible.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
panarky 4y ago
> not a "right wing fear", but a scientific fact Of course it's both, with the kernel of scientific fact being hyped and exaggerated by the right. It's important to call this out so people can evaluate whether the discussion is in good faith or if it's part of an information operation.
- bergenty 4y ago
  The important thing to take away is that “right wing” talking point or not there is a genuine reason to be concerned here.
- mancerayder 4y ago
  No, what's important is the truth or falsehood of a given claim. To attack the messenger, or to put focus on the messenger, is a dangerous path that leads to the deep divides we see, where reality seems just subjective to entire groups of people. It also contributes to a society more concerned about whether a fact is convenient or not for one's belief system, as opposed to an inquiry by a hungry mind which seeks to understand the world as-is (an ideal we should be fostering as intelligent people, for the good of society). This is more religious-inspired thinking than protecting the world from what you call an information operation. Ironically those institutions do the same thing in reverse (omitting or cherry picking facts to fit narrative).
  - panarky 4y ago
    You are correct in normal circumstances, but when there is an active information operation in progress, people should be aware of that so they can evaluate claims in that light.
- pkphilip 4y ago
  It is not a myth. There are serious concerns about the drop of testosterone levels in men - as much as 25% from the 1980s. https://www.urologytimes.com/view/testosterone-levels-show-steady-decrease-among-young-us-men https://www.urologytimes.com/view/testosterone-levels-show-s... Also, sperm count in men has dropped around 59% from the 1970s and so infertility among men is at an all time high: https://nypost.com/2021/02/20/why-more-men-are-suffering-from-infertility-than-ever-before/ https://nypost.com/2021/02/20/why-more-men-are-suffering-fro...
  - panarky 4y ago
    Who said it's a myth? Who are you arguing with?
    - pkphilip 4y ago
      Touche

kelseyfrog 4y ago

panarky 4y ago

> not a "right wing fear", but a scientific fact Of course it's both, with the kernel of scientific fact being hyped and exaggerated by the right. It's important to call this out so people can evaluate whether the discussion is in good faith or if it's part of an information operation.

bergenty 4y ago
The important thing to take away is that “right wing” talking point or not there is a genuine reason to be concerned here.
mancerayder 4y ago
No, what's important is the truth or falsehood of a given claim. To attack the messenger, or to put focus on the messenger, is a dangerous path that leads to the deep divides we see, where reality seems just subjective to entire groups of people. It also contributes to a society more concerned about whether a fact is convenient or not for one's belief system, as opposed to an inquiry by a hungry mind which seeks to understand the world as-is (an ideal we should be fostering as intelligent people, for the good of society). This is more religious-inspired thinking than protecting the world from what you call an information operation. Ironically those institutions do the same thing in reverse (omitting or cherry picking facts to fit narrative).
- panarky 4y ago
  You are correct in normal circumstances, but when there is an active information operation in progress, people should be aware of that so they can evaluate claims in that light.
pkphilip 4y ago
It is not a myth. There are serious concerns about the drop of testosterone levels in men - as much as 25% from the 1980s. https://www.urologytimes.com/view/testosterone-levels-show-steady-decrease-among-young-us-men https://www.urologytimes.com/view/testosterone-levels-show-s... Also, sperm count in men has dropped around 59% from the 1970s and so infertility among men is at an all time high: https://nypost.com/2021/02/20/why-more-men-are-suffering-from-infertility-than-ever-before/ https://nypost.com/2021/02/20/why-more-men-are-suffering-fro...
- panarky 4y ago
  Who said it's a myth? Who are you arguing with?
  - pkphilip 4y ago
    Touche