How about this - I talk to a lot of active firefighters (what do you think they do on vacation?), and they tend towards a very right-wing view of the world, and

How about this - I talk to a lot of active firefighters (what do you think they do on vacation?), and they tend towards a very right-wing view of the world, and they share a lot of dismissive snark about post-secondary education in general too. I didn't say they don't need any training and they wouldn't say that either, but they'd find the idea that one needs to take on tens of thousands of dollars in debt to get a four year degree in order to fight fires (or perform basic EMT functions) ludicrous, and they'd happen to be correct.