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I don't actually believe that _is_ the vast majority of cases of people using the word. In my experience it's ususally deployed pretty fairly (i.e. people in th

by hhmc 4y ago

I don't actually believe that _is_ the vast majority of cases of people using the word. In my experience it's ususally deployed pretty fairly (i.e. people in this discussion acknowleding their overwhelming financial privilege). Perhaps we exist in very different spheres of discussion.

Banana699 4y ago
Perhaps. Here[1][2][3][4] is the first page of google results for 'privilege' (filtered from dictionary entries and google maps locations) for example. Keep in mind that this *is* the 1st page, the full extent of it, after filtering the irrelevant things mentioned, there is exactly 0 cases of the legitimate use. [1] https://www.hivelearning.com/site/resource/diversity-inclusion/5-main-types-of-privileges/ https://www.hivelearning.com/site/resource/diversity-inclusi... [2] https://guides.rider.edu/privilege https://guides.rider.edu/privilege [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5f8GuNuGQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5f8GuNuGQ [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ea5WudpEAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ea5WudpEAs
- hhmc 4y ago
  [1] and [2] look fine and considered. I'm not watching a youtube video.
  - Banana699 4y ago
    [1] and [2] contains the exact same attitude and wordings which you admitted isn't a fair use and claimed doesn't constitute the majority of uses of the word. [1] : >>White privilege >>Gender privilege >>Heterosexual privilege [2] : >>these privileged social identities—of people who have historically occupied positions of dominance over others—include whites, males, heterosexuals >I'm not watching a youtube video. They are 4 minutes and 5 minutes, respectively, and contains the same views expressed in [1] and [2] and the vast majority of other uses of the word.
    - hhmc 4y ago
      I didn't make those admittances. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging privilege around race and gender. I think that 'privilege' is _sometimes_ used in accusatory bad faith, but I don't think this is the majority. I think in good faith it's a useful framework.
      - Banana699 4y ago
        hhmc 4y ago
        OK, I think we operate in very different epistemic and empathetic architectures -- so lets agree to disagree.
taneq 4y ago
> Perhaps we exist in very different spheres of discussion. Sounds like you have 'privilege privilege' and you should stand back and let others with lived experience speak their truth about this. /s (especially about the 'stand back' bit!) but also this is how it's used in the majority of cases that I see :(
- hhmc 4y ago
  It's funny, there's a sort of penumbral attack on the term being used here. Everyone seems to be railing against the shadow of bad use invocation of 'privilege', but there's no actual instances of that happening directly. Just things that 'people have seen'.
  - Banana699 4y ago
    I literally showed you 4 examples of how people use those words to silence and make light of other people's opinions and struggles, and they weren't particularly hard to find.
    - hhmc 4y ago
      You linked to neutral explanations of how privilege might be defined -- which look like useful resources -- so thanks for that. They don't indicate any instances of silencing. I don't think we can have any further useful dialogue, so I won't respond after this.
      - Banana699 4y ago
        The fact that you can't see a tool for silencing as it is means you're either naive or intentionally evasive, in both cases you don't get to play dumb and wonder at why people don't agree with you. And advertising you won't respond is not useful info to me.

by hhmc 4y ago

Banana699 4y ago

Perhaps. Here[1][2][3][4] is the first page of google results for 'privilege' (filtered from dictionary entries and google maps locations) for example. Keep in mind that this *is* the 1st page, the full extent of it, after filtering the irrelevant things mentioned, there is exactly 0 cases of the legitimate use. [1] https://www.hivelearning.com/site/resource/diversity-inclusion/5-main-types-of-privileges/ https://www.hivelearning.com/site/resource/diversity-inclusi... [2] https://guides.rider.edu/privilege https://guides.rider.edu/privilege [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5f8GuNuGQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5f8GuNuGQ [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ea5WudpEAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ea5WudpEAs

hhmc 4y ago
[1] and [2] look fine and considered. I'm not watching a youtube video.
- Banana699 4y ago
  [1] and [2] contains the exact same attitude and wordings which you admitted isn't a fair use and claimed doesn't constitute the majority of uses of the word. [1] : >>White privilege >>Gender privilege >>Heterosexual privilege [2] : >>these privileged social identities—of people who have historically occupied positions of dominance over others—include whites, males, heterosexuals >I'm not watching a youtube video. They are 4 minutes and 5 minutes, respectively, and contains the same views expressed in [1] and [2] and the vast majority of other uses of the word.
  - hhmc 4y ago
    I didn't make those admittances. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging privilege around race and gender. I think that 'privilege' is _sometimes_ used in accusatory bad faith, but I don't think this is the majority. I think in good faith it's a useful framework.
    - Banana699 4y ago
      - hhmc 4y ago
        OK, I think we operate in very different epistemic and empathetic architectures -- so lets agree to disagree.

taneq 4y ago

> Perhaps we exist in very different spheres of discussion. Sounds like you have 'privilege privilege' and you should stand back and let others with lived experience speak their truth about this. /s (especially about the 'stand back' bit!) but also this is how it's used in the majority of cases that I see :(

hhmc 4y ago
It's funny, there's a sort of penumbral attack on the term being used here. Everyone seems to be railing against the shadow of bad use invocation of 'privilege', but there's no actual instances of that happening directly. Just things that 'people have seen'.
- Banana699 4y ago
  I literally showed you 4 examples of how people use those words to silence and make light of other people's opinions and struggles, and they weren't particularly hard to find.
  - hhmc 4y ago
    You linked to neutral explanations of how privilege might be defined -- which look like useful resources -- so thanks for that. They don't indicate any instances of silencing. I don't think we can have any further useful dialogue, so I won't respond after this.
    - Banana699 4y ago
      The fact that you can't see a tool for silencing as it is means you're either naive or intentionally evasive, in both cases you don't get to play dumb and wonder at why people don't agree with you. And advertising you won't respond is not useful info to me.