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Based on my ten years in the TL, and my roaming all over the district at all hours of the day and night, "checkpoints" is almost certainly the wrong word for wh
by simoncion 4y ago
Based on my ten years in the TL, and my roaming all over the district at all hours of the day and night, "checkpoints" is almost certainly the wrong word for what lettergram is describing.
Let me translate what lettergram mentions:
> ...whole city blocks that were barricaded...
The sidewalks on some blocks in the TL were occupied with tents, chairs containing people, people sitting on the sidewalks, the occasional cluster of "street markets" (aka: combination flea market and stolen-goods-market), and -sometimes- people grilling with charcoal grills.
> ...the gangs ran checkpoints.
This one requires a bit of explanation:
In the heart of the TL, some corners have drug and/or sex salesmen advertising their wares to passersby. Some streets will have clumps of salesmen, and some corners and section of sidewalk will be crowded, simply because a whole lot of folks in the neighborhood socialize outside... so they're hanging out on the sidewalks. (Why not hang out in parks? Because the cops will push them back into the TL so that they don't make tourists, techies, and other such milquetoast folks uncomfortable.)
Never, _ever_ have I run into anything remotely like a "checkpoint". Crowded sidewalks? Sure! Folks doing more than hawking wares at me as I pass by, unimpeded by anything other than folks that are on the sidewalk minding their own damn business? No way.
The crowds and dealers certainly can be intimidating (and were definitely so for me for my first few months in the neighborhood)... but once you figure out that they don't behave like they're portrayed in the movies... that they're disinterested in starting shit and are just out there hanging out and running a business, you treat them like any other salesman hawking his wares.
> we've ceded the Tenderloin to being a known unsafe part of the city
That's its reputation, sure. It is the site of the city's open-air drug and sex markets.
Based on my time in the neighborhood, I've come to the conclusion that the City acknowledges that these sorts of things _will_ be sold, and that it's better to have an arrangement with the sellers and other "market participants" that ensures that everyone works together to prevent the violence that can often happen when such markets are pushed deep underground.
Because these are open-air markets, if the City wished to, they could drive by every day, rolling up dealers, pimps, prostitutes, and customers. I see the patrol cars rolling by on a regular basis, and _everyone_ who has been in the area for more than a few weeks can spot the folks that would be rolled up. They don't... and -as far as I've seen- have no intention of doing so.
- pm90 4y ago> that they're disinterested in starting shit and are just out there hanging out and running a business, you treat them like any other salesman hawking his wares. I wish i could share this with more folks. The idea that these people are somehow hardened criminals that will knife anyone is such bullshit. They just want to be left alone for the most part.
- deepdriver 4y agoThe dealers may be more-or-less rational economic actors. Their customers are not. Yes, some will knife you. https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/man-dead-after-tenderloin-stabbing/ https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/man-dead-after-tenderloi... https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/4-stabbed-in-tenderloin-stabbing-spree/ https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/4-stabbed-in-tenderloin-... https://www.kron4.com/news/sf-man-stabbed-in-tenderloin-in-critical-condition/ https://www.kron4.com/news/sf-man-stabbed-in-tenderloin-in-c...
- simoncion 4y agoSometimes people will use a knife against other people, yes. Those articles you linked to provide no evidence to believe that the reported stabber is a customer of a Tenderloin dealer.
- inferiorhuman 4y agoAgreed. The TL is mostly drug dealers and drug users and is for the most part not as unsafe as the pearl clutchers would have you believe. I've worked in neighborhoods where the indigent folks tend to be more outwardly mentally ill and that was far more hair raising on a day to day.
- simoncion 4y agoMan, the drive-by downvotes are weird. I can't remember if the site settled on (officially or otherwise) a "Downvotes indicate disagreement" or a "Downvotes indicate violation of site rules and regulations" policy, but if they settled on the former, that's quite a shame. Some of the most interesting and informative conversations I've ever had have been with people who held opinions that were as opposed to mine as they could possibly get. And -in truth- the core of your comment (Folks just want to get on with their lives.) is broadly applicable to _most_ big boogeymen... child snatchers, street thugs, terrorists (domestic or otherwise), etc, etc, etc. In the overwhelming majority of cases, folks simply don't want to start shit, and -when made by Officials- claims to the contrary are nearly always attempts to increase the power and/or wealth of that official and/or their cronies.