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> SF native, worked and socialized in the Tenderloin, live in East Oakland currently, and I agree. It could also be the case that your accustomed to it? Or per

> SF native, worked and socialized in the Tenderloin, live in East Oakland currently, and I agree. It could also be the case that your accustomed to it? Or perhaps it’s gotten worse? This restaurant was in the Tenderloin in 2016. Can’t speak to your experiences, but this was a pretty near daily occurrence.

prpl 4y ago
I have been renting a music rehearsal space at Hyde and Eddy since 2013, and lived in the city since 2010. I have never seen this as described. However, there’s a good chance what you have seen might be a few different things that appeared like that. For one, Larkin between Ellis and Eddy can look like this (also at there often at The Chairman when there was a brick and mortar there).
grapeskin 4y ago
I think a lot of people are frogs in a pot with regards to their city deteriorating, while some definitely exaggerate because we also do just get cranky as we get old. But the 1950s standard of dirty and the 2020s standard of dirty are very different. Disposable heroin needles and piles of plastic garbage simply weren’t a thing, although SF has always had a reputation as rife with opiate usage. I lived in Portland. I loved the city, but over the span of a couple years, it was obvious seeing the progression of the grime. I lived a bit outside the city where it was nothing but green gardens and blackberry bushes free for the picking, and pockets of downtown had homeless camps. It quickly ramped up to the bushes being full of filthy plastic garbage, crusty addicts planting themselves outside stores all over downtown, lines of tents, and more. Dirty cities 70 years ago smelled of piss and had smashed glass. Dirty cities today have all that and more. Our standards shifted.
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- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  > I think a lot of people are frogs in a pot with regards to their city deteriorating Boiling the frog is more than a little ridiculous when you consider that I was replying to someone who'd claimed gangs have barricaded whole blocks of San Francisco and that this is why the city's lost its humanity. As for Portland, it too has been dirty and grimy since forever. I think a lot of the Portlandia crowd forget how industrial and rough (and how tolerant of neo nazis) it used to be. To be fair that cult (and the perpetrator of the largest bioterror attack on US soil) wasn't in Multnomah County. https://www.oregonlive.com/history/2017/06/portland_in_the_1980s_gangs_sk.html https://www.oregonlive.com/history/2017/06/portland_in_the_1...

prpl 4y ago

I have been renting a music rehearsal space at Hyde and Eddy since 2013, and lived in the city since 2010. I have never seen this as described. However, there’s a good chance what you have seen might be a few different things that appeared like that. For one, Larkin between Ellis and Eddy can look like this (also at there often at The Chairman when there was a brick and mortar there).

grapeskin 4y ago

I think a lot of people are frogs in a pot with regards to their city deteriorating, while some definitely exaggerate because we also do just get cranky as we get old. But the 1950s standard of dirty and the 2020s standard of dirty are very different. Disposable heroin needles and piles of plastic garbage simply weren’t a thing, although SF has always had a reputation as rife with opiate usage. I lived in Portland. I loved the city, but over the span of a couple years, it was obvious seeing the progression of the grime. I lived a bit outside the city where it was nothing but green gardens and blackberry bushes free for the picking, and pockets of downtown had homeless camps. It quickly ramped up to the bushes being full of filthy plastic garbage, crusty addicts planting themselves outside stores all over downtown, lines of tents, and more. Dirty cities 70 years ago smelled of piss and had smashed glass. Dirty cities today have all that and more. Our standards shifted.

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inferiorhuman 4y ago
> I think a lot of people are frogs in a pot with regards to their city deteriorating Boiling the frog is more than a little ridiculous when you consider that I was replying to someone who'd claimed gangs have barricaded whole blocks of San Francisco and that this is why the city's lost its humanity. As for Portland, it too has been dirty and grimy since forever. I think a lot of the Portlandia crowd forget how industrial and rough (and how tolerant of neo nazis) it used to be. To be fair that cult (and the perpetrator of the largest bioterror attack on US soil) wasn't in Multnomah County. https://www.oregonlive.com/history/2017/06/portland_in_the_1980s_gangs_sk.html https://www.oregonlive.com/history/2017/06/portland_in_the_1...