On the other hand such behavior can be a blessing in some situations. Maybe I do just want to hang an object off of some pubsub without having to decide the one

On the other hand such behavior can be a blessing in some situations. Maybe I do just want to hang an object off of some pubsub without having to decide the one true "owner" of the object. If you're used to objects being destructed when they go out of scope ala C++ then yeah adapting to the lifecycle of objects in Java/C# takes some doing. But I think there's benefit to be had.