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Yeah, I rarely like to use the word 'privileged' but that is really the definition of it: what can you do vs what you have to do.

taneq 4y ago
It would be okay to use ‘privileged’ more if that’s what people actually meant by it but usually it’s code for “shouldn’t be allowed to speak”.
- bratbag 4y ago
  Seems more like code for "speaks too much about something they have no experience of". In the context of this discussion chain, like someone wealthy enough not to have to work who won't stop talking about how starvation is not a real problem.
  - Banana699 4y ago
    Notice how you subtly restricted the domain for the word to socio-economic status, where it's often clear as day, and backed up by numbers, who's privileged (the wall St. investor vacationing in the Maldives) and who's not (the starving child in Yemen). Compare and contrast that with the vast majority of other uses and users of the word, where an attribute that is far from being obviously optimal (e.g. straight and\or white and\or male) is taken as a sign that you have a better life than those of another attribute and - furthermore - that the person with this attribute is fundamentally incapable of imagining the lives of those supposedly deprieved of their invisible privileges.
    - hhmc 4y ago
      I don't actually believe that _is_ the vast majority of cases of people using the word. In my experience it's ususally deployed pretty fairly (i.e. people in this discussion acknowleding their overwhelming financial privilege). Perhaps we exist in very different spheres of discussion.
      - Banana699 4y ago
        Perhaps. Here[1][2][3][4] is the first page of google results for 'privilege' (filtered from dictionary entries and google maps locations) for example. Keep in mind that this *is* the 1st page, the full extent of it, after filtering the irrelevant things mentioned, there is exactly 0 cases of the legitimate use. [1] https://www.hivelearning.com/site/resource/diversity-inclusion/5-main-types-of-privileges/ https://www.hivelearning.com/site/resource/diversity-inclusi... [2] https://guides.rider.edu/privilege https://guides.rider.edu/privilege [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5f8GuNuGQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5f8GuNuGQ [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ea5WudpEAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ea5WudpEAs
        hhmc 4y ago
        [1] and [2] look fine and considered. I'm not watching a youtube video.
        Banana699 4y ago
        [1] and [2] contains the exact same attitude and wordings which you admitted isn't a fair use and claimed doesn't constitute the majority of uses of the word. [1] : >>White privilege >>Gender privilege >>Heterosexual privilege [2] : >>these privileged social identities—of people who have historically occupied positions of dominance over others—include whites, males, heterosexuals >I'm not watching a youtube video. They are 4 minutes and 5 minutes, respectively, and contains the same views expressed in [1] and [2] and the vast majority of other uses of the word.
        hhmc 4y ago
        I didn't make those admittances. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging privilege around race and gender. I think that 'privilege' is _sometimes_ used in accusatory bad faith, but I don't think this is the majority. I think in good faith it's a useful framework.
        4y ago

taneq 4y ago

It would be okay to use ‘privileged’ more if that’s what people actually meant by it but usually it’s code for “shouldn’t be allowed to speak”.

bratbag 4y ago
Seems more like code for "speaks too much about something they have no experience of". In the context of this discussion chain, like someone wealthy enough not to have to work who won't stop talking about how starvation is not a real problem.
- Banana699 4y ago
  Notice how you subtly restricted the domain for the word to socio-economic status, where it's often clear as day, and backed up by numbers, who's privileged (the wall St. investor vacationing in the Maldives) and who's not (the starving child in Yemen). Compare and contrast that with the vast majority of other uses and users of the word, where an attribute that is far from being obviously optimal (e.g. straight and\or white and\or male) is taken as a sign that you have a better life than those of another attribute and - furthermore - that the person with this attribute is fundamentally incapable of imagining the lives of those supposedly deprieved of their invisible privileges.
  - hhmc 4y ago
    I don't actually believe that _is_ the vast majority of cases of people using the word. In my experience it's ususally deployed pretty fairly (i.e. people in this discussion acknowleding their overwhelming financial privilege). Perhaps we exist in very different spheres of discussion.
    - Banana699 4y ago
      Perhaps. Here[1][2][3][4] is the first page of google results for 'privilege' (filtered from dictionary entries and google maps locations) for example. Keep in mind that this *is* the 1st page, the full extent of it, after filtering the irrelevant things mentioned, there is exactly 0 cases of the legitimate use. [1] https://www.hivelearning.com/site/resource/diversity-inclusion/5-main-types-of-privileges/ https://www.hivelearning.com/site/resource/diversity-inclusi... [2] https://guides.rider.edu/privilege https://guides.rider.edu/privilege [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5f8GuNuGQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5f8GuNuGQ [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ea5WudpEAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ea5WudpEAs
      - hhmc 4y ago
        [1] and [2] look fine and considered. I'm not watching a youtube video.
        Banana699 4y ago
        [1] and [2] contains the exact same attitude and wordings which you admitted isn't a fair use and claimed doesn't constitute the majority of uses of the word. [1] : >>White privilege >>Gender privilege >>Heterosexual privilege [2] : >>these privileged social identities—of people who have historically occupied positions of dominance over others—include whites, males, heterosexuals >I'm not watching a youtube video. They are 4 minutes and 5 minutes, respectively, and contains the same views expressed in [1] and [2] and the vast majority of other uses of the word.
        hhmc 4y ago
        I didn't make those admittances. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging privilege around race and gender. I think that 'privilege' is _sometimes_ used in accusatory bad faith, but I don't think this is the majority. I think in good faith it's a useful framework.
        4y ago