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You might be more interested in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HxVMGaiZbc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HxVMGaiZbc "ClojureScript in the Age

You might be more interested in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HxVMGaiZbc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HxVMGaiZbc "ClojureScript in the Age of TypeScript — David Nolen" Skip to 30:00 for the live coding demo: https://youtu.be/3HxVMGaiZbc?t=1800 https://youtu.be/3HxVMGaiZbc?t=1800

ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
Ok this is excellent stuff.
inferiorhuman 4y ago
Meh. ClojureScript is just as leaky as Clojure. Clojure brings all the XML pain of Java dependencies and slow start times, ClojureScript gets callback hell. They're fantastic languages but I couldn't help but wonder if there were a better VM to base them on.
- robertfw 4y ago
  What XML pain are you referring to? It's not something I've had to deal with in ~3-4 years of professional Clojure work The slow start times are meaningless for long lived servers, which Clojure is best suited for. For fast startup time there is now Babashka which is great for many tasks, and GraalVM as another option.
- heretoo 4y ago
  > ClojureScript is just as leaky as Clojure By leaky, I assume you are refering to the interop with the host platform. Overall, this seems like a benefit, simply for having access to many more libraries than would otherwise exist in Clojure(script). > Clojure brings all the XML pain of Java dependencies Do you mean pom.xml? > better VM The JVM seems extremely powerful with regards to performance and memory management, with 20+ years of backwards compatibility (mostly), and improvements still being made with GC and JIT.
- kaba0 4y ago
  Where the hell do you see XML in java development anymore, let alone in Clojure?
  - dekelpilli 4y ago
    Presumably in Maven POM files for Java
- jgalt212 4y ago
  and React brings all the XML pain into HTML templates.
  - yogthos 4y ago
    And Reagent removes all that pain in ClojureScript https://reagent-project.github.io/ https://reagent-project.github.io/
- jffry 4y ago
  > Clojure brings all the XML pain of Java dependencies You don't have to use pom.xml for Clojure projects. The default, included-with-the-clojure-cli support to define your dependencies in deps.edn makes dependency management extremely simple ;deps.edn {:deps {org.postgresql/postgresql {:mvn/version "42.4.0"}}}

ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago

Ok this is excellent stuff.

inferiorhuman 4y ago

Meh. ClojureScript is just as leaky as Clojure. Clojure brings all the XML pain of Java dependencies and slow start times, ClojureScript gets callback hell. They're fantastic languages but I couldn't help but wonder if there were a better VM to base them on.

robertfw 4y ago
What XML pain are you referring to? It's not something I've had to deal with in ~3-4 years of professional Clojure work The slow start times are meaningless for long lived servers, which Clojure is best suited for. For fast startup time there is now Babashka which is great for many tasks, and GraalVM as another option.
heretoo 4y ago
> ClojureScript is just as leaky as Clojure By leaky, I assume you are refering to the interop with the host platform. Overall, this seems like a benefit, simply for having access to many more libraries than would otherwise exist in Clojure(script). > Clojure brings all the XML pain of Java dependencies Do you mean pom.xml? > better VM The JVM seems extremely powerful with regards to performance and memory management, with 20+ years of backwards compatibility (mostly), and improvements still being made with GC and JIT.
kaba0 4y ago
Where the hell do you see XML in java development anymore, let alone in Clojure?
- dekelpilli 4y ago
  Presumably in Maven POM files for Java
jgalt212 4y ago
and React brings all the XML pain into HTML templates.
- yogthos 4y ago
  And Reagent removes all that pain in ClojureScript https://reagent-project.github.io/ https://reagent-project.github.io/
jffry 4y ago
> Clojure brings all the XML pain of Java dependencies You don't have to use pom.xml for Clojure projects. The default, included-with-the-clojure-cli support to define your dependencies in deps.edn makes dependency management extremely simple ;deps.edn {:deps {org.postgresql/postgresql {:mvn/version "42.4.0"}}}