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>It would be very sad for the tech community to become political, labeling tech based on where it happened to be developed initially… people, we are all human b

by trhway 4y ago

>It would be very sad for the tech community to become political, labeling tech based on where it happened to be developed initially… people, we are all human being … political differences can naturally be dismissed until it crosses the border when some humans stop behaving like humans... And this is the border that Russia has crossed.

Kstarek 4y ago
Nah good code is good regardless of who wrote it
- speed_spread 4y ago
  As an old dev, I'll tell you that all code is shit code. But some of it is my shit, and other bits are your shit.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  Other former SSRs for cannon fodder.
J_McQuade 4y ago
- labster 4y ago
  GP did not say that. I suggest you read before commenting.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  No, GP said Russians have crossed the line where some humans stop behaving like humans. There is a difference between being not human and being a human that acts like they are not human.
  - J_McQuade 4y ago
    You're entirely right. I'll try and remember that next time I encounter dehumanising rhetoric and will consider all the good it can do.
    - sk0g 4y ago
      Helps to read what people are saying before commenting on it. Also helps to not double down on mistaken readings with petty comments like this.
- bandyaboot 4y ago
  You literally modified the literal version of what was said into a non-literal version.
blooalien 4y ago
> … "this is the border that Russia has crossed." … this is the border that Putin and his terrorist thug army have crossed. ~ FTFY The majority of the Russian people either don't want any part of the entire situation (just wanna be left alone to try and live a life as best they're able), are fooled by propaganda and fake news (not unique to Americans after all; I guess folks from anywhere in the world can be fooled. Surprising…), or totally against the whole thing but mostly afraid to say anything, lest they be branded "traitors" and treated like an enemy by their own government.
oaththrowaway 4y ago
I suppose we shouldn't be using any American software either after what we've been doing to the middle east for the last 20 years?
- blooalien 4y ago
  By that logic, I guess we shouldn't be using human written software, considering the atrocities humanity is guilty of throughout their history…
- bardworx 4y ago
  I would like to propose a litmus test of the Manhattan project. What does it take for a person to defect and actively work to destroy their homelands political power? I am not supporting or refuting your statement, for the record.
  - ThalesX 4y ago
    > What does it take for a person to defect and actively work to destroy their homelands political power? Surely a number of potential scenarios impossible for us to grasp right now. Living conditions? Mental health issues? Personal vengeance? Profit? Trickery? Who knows what else.
    - bardworx 4y ago
      Well, we don’t have to guess for the selected scientists, they were very open about fighting the Nazis.
soderfoo 4y ago
I agree wholeheartedly the Russian government's invasion is reprehensible. It would logically follow that the implicit "consent of the governed", and close ties with domestic companies merits extending this anger to Russian businesses. But I think to myself, is this really fair? I served in the US army during the GWOT and deployed, I struggle with reconciling the atrocities of the US government with my steadfast allegiance. Even as an expat, I still hold a deep affection for the US, warts and all. Would it be fair to harbor animus for US companies? I'd think so, if they enabled war crimes. But what if it's just an entity or subsidiary? Should that negate all the good work of employees with no connection to the company's national security or defense contracts? Take Boeing for example [0], should we be contemptuous of every Boeing engineer because a subsidiary coordinated the CIA's extraordinary rendition torture flights? [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppesen#Alleged_involvement_with_CIA_extraordinary_rendition_flights https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppesen#Alleged_involvement...
- gukov 4y ago
  The russian government’s invasion is carried out by russians.
- trhway 4y ago
  >Take Boeing for example [0], should we be contemptuous of every Boeing engineer because a subsidiary coordinated the CIA's extraordinary rendition torture flights? If US declared a campaign of eliminating "Afghanness" or "Iraqiness" (like the Russian declaration and public celebration of eliminating of "Ukrainness"), and those Boeing engineers were celebrating those flights as part of such an elimination then definitely yes. Most of Russians do know what happens in Ukraine - their TV has been clearly and explicitly informing them about the elimination of "Ukrainness" - and they support it.
throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
which border is that?

by trhway 4y ago

Kstarek 4y ago

Nah good code is good regardless of who wrote it

speed_spread 4y ago
As an old dev, I'll tell you that all code is shit code. But some of it is my shit, and other bits are your shit.
ncmncm 4y ago
Other former SSRs for cannon fodder.

J_McQuade 4y ago

labster 4y ago
GP did not say that. I suggest you read before commenting.
dragonwriter 4y ago
No, GP said Russians have crossed the line where some humans stop behaving like humans. There is a difference between being not human and being a human that acts like they are not human.
- J_McQuade 4y ago
  You're entirely right. I'll try and remember that next time I encounter dehumanising rhetoric and will consider all the good it can do.
  - sk0g 4y ago
    Helps to read what people are saying before commenting on it. Also helps to not double down on mistaken readings with petty comments like this.
bandyaboot 4y ago
You literally modified the literal version of what was said into a non-literal version.

blooalien 4y ago

> … "this is the border that Russia has crossed." … this is the border that Putin and his terrorist thug army have crossed. ~ FTFY The majority of the Russian people either don't want any part of the entire situation (just wanna be left alone to try and live a life as best they're able), are fooled by propaganda and fake news (not unique to Americans after all; I guess folks from anywhere in the world can be fooled. Surprising…), or totally against the whole thing but mostly afraid to say anything, lest they be branded "traitors" and treated like an enemy by their own government.

oaththrowaway 4y ago

I suppose we shouldn't be using any American software either after what we've been doing to the middle east for the last 20 years?

blooalien 4y ago
By that logic, I guess we shouldn't be using human written software, considering the atrocities humanity is guilty of throughout their history…
bardworx 4y ago
I would like to propose a litmus test of the Manhattan project. What does it take for a person to defect and actively work to destroy their homelands political power? I am not supporting or refuting your statement, for the record.
- ThalesX 4y ago
  > What does it take for a person to defect and actively work to destroy their homelands political power? Surely a number of potential scenarios impossible for us to grasp right now. Living conditions? Mental health issues? Personal vengeance? Profit? Trickery? Who knows what else.
  - bardworx 4y ago
    Well, we don’t have to guess for the selected scientists, they were very open about fighting the Nazis.

soderfoo 4y ago

I agree wholeheartedly the Russian government's invasion is reprehensible. It would logically follow that the implicit "consent of the governed", and close ties with domestic companies merits extending this anger to Russian businesses. But I think to myself, is this really fair? I served in the US army during the GWOT and deployed, I struggle with reconciling the atrocities of the US government with my steadfast allegiance. Even as an expat, I still hold a deep affection for the US, warts and all. Would it be fair to harbor animus for US companies? I'd think so, if they enabled war crimes. But what if it's just an entity or subsidiary? Should that negate all the good work of employees with no connection to the company's national security or defense contracts? Take Boeing for example [0], should we be contemptuous of every Boeing engineer because a subsidiary coordinated the CIA's extraordinary rendition torture flights? [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppesen#Alleged_involvement_with_CIA_extraordinary_rendition_flights https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppesen#Alleged_involvement...

gukov 4y ago
The russian government’s invasion is carried out by russians.
trhway 4y ago
>Take Boeing for example [0], should we be contemptuous of every Boeing engineer because a subsidiary coordinated the CIA's extraordinary rendition torture flights? If US declared a campaign of eliminating "Afghanness" or "Iraqiness" (like the Russian declaration and public celebration of eliminating of "Ukrainness"), and those Boeing engineers were celebrating those flights as part of such an elimination then definitely yes. Most of Russians do know what happens in Ukraine - their TV has been clearly and explicitly informing them about the elimination of "Ukrainness" - and they support it.

throwaway0x7E6 4y ago

which border is that?